My next punt will be...

[DomCobb]

There has been discussion but some people just dont want to hear it,like the op of this thread for instance

[samlad]

Perhaps therein lies the crux of the matter that this site hasnt been concerned with the bigger issues for a long time

It depends on your idea of 'bigger' issues, doesn't it? Number one is escort safety above anything else, and Nicole (bless her) had been concentrating on this more than anything else.

[samlad]

Sam

Hi. I don't mean to sound uppity but this is a pretty big deal. It isnt same old same old, it effects the escorts too. It effects everything. I dont think this will come full circle alone, there needs to be some discussion.

I'm not trying to trivialise this topic, after all it's run this far and people that wish to read it can come to their own conclusions. As much as people like to think i'm squirming here, I'm very much enjoying and embracing this. At least we are putting across different perspectives here to get a fuller picture. There's just a lot I don't really agree with from my side of things, but in a sense, I'm detached from the actual experience. However, I read a lot and along with Nicole, submit many reports. There are for more threateners, harassers and stalkers in this industry than troublesome pimps from what I can see. Escorts have a lot to put up with and it's all the more reason to ensure sex workers are protected by the law, as well as focusing on trafficking.

Why should pimps and trafficking be the main focus when there are obviously so many other issues that should also be considered? Probably because clients are less likely to be arrested for those crimes!

[monster_monster]

Well a solicitor can't deleted a printed article can they? If a pimp had access to the admin section and it was broadcasted, do you really think they would have access now anyway? That would be silly!

I know that this isn't something that has suddenly been of interest to you either. Your account has passed those links around before, that I do know, but it is something in the public domain and the site is still running, so it can't have been as bad as you might make out, especially if it has been put to the test of the legal system.

I solicitor can get a paper to print a retraction if they printed something that is not true. Also they can get the online version pulled, I know as a friend of mine has had experience of this. As for them still having access to that section well I guess we'll have to take your word for it, but I think you can agree that that person should never of been given access to the admin section in the first place.

Of course this isn't something that has suddenly been of interest to me, I have submitted hundreds of fake photo reports trying to make this place a bit better for both independents and punters alike.

As for my account passing these links around before, that is true BUT the only time I sent them to anyone was tonight and that was to another well established poster here. Thanks for taking a look in my PM's by the way. If you disagree with that please feel free to post dates and times of who I might of sent them to.

[ksteve]

Well Forrest, that's one of the main benefits of having a community, isn't it? Especially when you punters are in the thick of it, unlike us desk jockeys! You can always report suspicious activity to the police... by seeing escorts, you're not doing anything wrong after all.

Sam, you go mad if any client seeks to make their own enquiries into any of these issues-- you want everything referred into management instead for 'investigation'. On the otherhand when it suits you say the site is merely a directory and takes no interest in these matters.

This is an excellent site, probably one of the best in Europe but to protect its own business I do think it should be much more pro-active and stop using lack of proof as an excuse. Most decent men do not want to visit the unfortunate ladies depicted in the programme but we need more help from the site to avoid this. The independent ladies I feel are scared ( probably with good reason ) to take a very active roll in this.

[Lucy Chambers]

I'm not trying to trivialise this topic, after all it's run this far and people that wish to read it can come to their own conclusions. As much as people like to think i'm squirming here, I'm very much enjoying and embracing this. At least we are putting across different perspectives here to get a fuller picture. There's just a lot I don't really agree with from my side of things, but in a sense, I'm detached from the actual experience. However, I read a lot and along with Nicole, submit many reports. There are for more threateners, harassers and stalkers in this industry than troublesome pimps from what I can see. Escorts have a lot to put up with and it's all the more reason to ensure sex workers are protected by the law, as well as focusing on trafficking.

Sam, did you see the programme?

[Forrest]

We did establish when we discussed the Gold Advertising status that it's impossible to find a criteria for 'true' independent, especially when a large portion of beginning escorts start off as agency to find their feet anyway. Perhaps if there was less stigma with agencies in Ireland and less people tarring escorts with the pimped and trafficked brush, more of them would more than likely advertise as agency so it would be clearer. This will never happen in Ireland though.

The reason for that is that agencies here are far more 'underground' than the UK which, in itself, leads people to the
conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that agencies here are associated with pimps & trafficking.

[El Gordo]

What we are talking about, primarily, is pimps. "Agency" is just a euphemism most of the time.

[doodlebug]

It depends on your idea of 'bigger' issues, doesn't it? Number one is escort safety above anything else, and Nicole (bless her) had been concentrating on this more than anything else.

Sam, I agree escort safety is the number one issue, but then EI is just a directory and don't have the resources to investigate, secondly if EI can map patterns as Primetime did and help highlight trafficked girls then isn't that an escort safety issue. Your answers are inconsistent to say the least and I have to say are more than just the cut and thrust of good debate. Perhaps you should follow Patricia's lead and sleep on it overnight before you post any other inconsistent threads. Only my opinion.

[carlos marvado]

We did establish when we discussed the Gold Advertising status that it's impossible to find a criteria for 'true' independent, especially when a large portion of beginning escorts start off as agency to find their feet anyway. Perhaps if there was less stigma with agencies in Ireland and less people tarring escorts with the pimped and trafficked brush, more of them would more than likely advertise as agency so it would be clearer. This will never happen in Ireland though.

You might wish to reconsider that statement Sam. You see the real problem with agencies in Ireland is not that there is a stigma attached to them. Tonight's program proved that at least one agency was pulling in the clients. The real problem with agencies is that they are illegal. There is a slight difference between stigma and illegal, and of course that illegality would also extend to the many hidden agencies up and down the island.