Lucy, my friend I am not taking sides in any dispute here, but all things have two sides, you cannot know that MrNiceguy didn't receive any pms! I have no doubt Rimmerguy didn't abuse anyone but I have to say the level of attack on some of the threads last night was intense in my opinion. I didn't get involved and don't intend getting involved, I merely posted my observations which is all I can really do as I don't know what goes on between others.