Dana's banjaxed

[Ebony Amber]

I'm no legal eagle- but it seems that from one angle she's been a US citizen from 1997 - meaning she isn't legally entitled or another nationality.. which ( if that's an accurate read) means she was not an Irish citizen last time she ran in the Pres campaign & possibly thus committed an offence....
I have some Dutch friends who explained the Netherlands actively ( as opposed to the passive IRL situation) doesn't allow dual nationality- you naturalize as an American, you have a legal obligation to return the dutch document... I've read that technically ( even if not actively enforced) the same applies to UK citizenship... Ms.Scallon may have opened a very big can of worms here!

In regards to the Dutch tthing-

If you become a Dutch citizen by marriage you do not have to renounce your American citizenship. Also if you were born in America to Dutch parents you could keep dual citizenship.

[Franken996]

But I've heard that for the American naturalization, indeed you are obliged to hand over your previous citizenship and pledge your allegiance to America, but after 6 months, you will be given it back!

Not my experience- I wasn't asked for anything!

You are asked to hand over your previous passport, when you take your Irish citizenship. It is then cancelled and sent back to you and the Irish government will inform your previous government that you have taken up Irish citizenship.

Interesting, I learn something new every day..

In regards to the Dutch tthing-

If you become a Dutch citizen by marriage you do not have to renounce your American citizenship. Also if you were born in America to Dutch parents you could keep dual citizenship.

Sure.. but both situations are the reverse of the Dana situation.. afaik, the Netherlands allows dual nationality in these situations..it's becoming a US citizen & " absolutely and entirely renounce allegiance to any foreign state' that triggers the obligation to return your Dutch passport.
While I'm not complaining I am amused at the " Irish solution to an Irish problem" ...

shm at some of this stuff below - my comments in RED FONT



The Irish Times - Saturday, October 8, 2011
Dana 'assured' there would be no conflict over dual citizenship
Presidential candidate Dana Rosemary Scallon on the campaign trail in Tralee, Co Kerry, yesterday. Ms Scallon confirmed she had pledged the oath that requires naturalised US citizens to renounce their allegiance to all other states. Photograph: Eamonn Keogh (Mac Monagle, Killarney)Presidential candidate Dana Rosemary Scallon on the campaign trail in Tralee, Co Kerry, yesterday. Ms Scallon confirmed she had pledged the oath that requires naturalised US citizens to renounce their allegiance to all other states. Photograph: Eamonn Keogh (Mac Monagle, Killarney)
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Dana defends dual Irish-American citizenship | 08/10/2011


PAUL CULLEN and BARRY ROCHE

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE Dana Rosemary Scallon has defended her US citizenship and insisted there is no conflict between this and her Irish citizenship.

Ms Scallon confirmed she had pledged the oath that requires naturalised US citizens to renounce their allegiance to all other states. Before doing so, she told an official she could not give up her Irish citizenship and he had said this was not a problem because there was a “unique relationship” between the countries.
Dana is either a liar or a moron, in my opinion both should disqualify you from being President..but then again my opinion holds as little legal weight as Dana- the facts are she naturalized as a US Citizen & foreswore allegience to Ireland- everything else involving her bullshit is academic

“I was absolutely assured that the oath had no effect on my allegiance to this country,” she told RTÉ yesterday.I was absolutely assured by the dude who sold me the lottery ticket that I'd win.. Dana is clearly reverse engineering the events to suit her position- but again it's all moot

She said she took out US citizenship in 1999, after she had stood in the 1997 presidential election and not before that election, as stated by her sister, Susan Stein, during a court case in Iowa.This needs to be verified- something fishy here which may be that she recognizes she's open to prosecution if it was 1997

On entering office, the president is required to declare that he or she will “maintain the Constitution of Ireland and uphold its law”.

The US oath of allegiance sworn by Ms Scallon requires her to “absolutely and entirely renounce” allegiance to any foreign state, to defend the constitution and laws of the USA and to bear arms on behalf of the USA when required.

Speaking to The Irish Times in Cork yesterday, Labour’s candidate Michael D Higgins said it was important that Ms Scallon’s successful application for US citizenship was in the public realm.

He said “there would seem to be on the face it a contradiction” between swearing an oath to serve the Irish people if elected the president of Ireland and an affirmation to any other political entity or state.No Shit!! Is 'contradiction' the new polite term in Ireland for blatant hypochrisy??

Mr Higgins said pledging an oath of allegiance to their country is important to Americans. “American citizens take it quite seriously and it’s quite ceremonial – you don’t do it casually,” he said.

The mere fact that Ms Scallon had sworn an oath of allegiance in the US was “not a problem” for her Irish citizenship, said a Department of Justice spokesman. Thousands of people in her position hold dual citizenship, he pointed out. Constitutional lawyers said the swearing of an oath of allegiance in the US would have no effect on her Irish citizenship.
Great stuff- so what's implicitly being said is that the President of Ireland can pretty much do what they want/bend the truth and foreswear allegiance to the Nation- seriously WTF??!!

“It’s embarrassing certainly, but only that,” said one lawyer.

Dana’s US citizenship became public during a bitter legal dispute with family members over the ownership of some of her religious recordings. Speaking in Tralee yesterday, Ms Scallon said that every family had disputes and it was “stooping to a new low” to raise a personal family matter. “At the bottom of it all I love my family and we have reached agreement,” she said

[SR71]

It is not an issue holding dual nationalities for some countries, all they want is for you to hold only 1 passport, which makes sense anyway!

[SR71]

Not my experience- I wasn't asked for anything!

So you hold 2 passports then Franken?

[Franken996]

It is not an issue holding dual nationalities for some countries, all they want is for you to hold only 1 passport, which makes sense anyway!

For most nations, this appears intuitively obvious although within the EU why would it matter? The only place I ever heard of promoting dual nationality ( which I'm not sure they still do ) is Switzerland...

Not my experience- I wasn't asked for anything!

So you hold 2 passports then Franken?

I hold at least 2 passports

[SR71]

For most nations, this appears intuitively obvious although within the EU why would it matter? The only place I ever heard of promoting dual nationality ( which I'm not sure they still do ) is Switzerland...


I hold at least 2 passports

Yes, if you are an EU citizen, you are in most cases not allowed naturalization (you can look for permanent resident status but no point in it either) but there are cases where athletes/sports person take up naturalization to represent their new country.


Wow, at least 2. Great stuff, maybe you are the real Jason Bourne!