Gardai joke about attacking and raping a female protestor.

[An don]

Well if that infrastructure topples the heritage of the people of Ireland like the hill of tara etc and its beautiful environment then our government are a disgrace to the people. These are places that must be protected and all the forests of Ireland must be protected its in the people's of Ireland's blood but most of you have forgotten about your roots and become disconnected with the splendid beauty of Éireann.

Absolut boll*x , the country is on it knees and we need infactrure.. I will never forget my roots but if a major company wants to invest in Ireland bringing thousand of jobs and there is a hill in the way ..Well Im sorry fuck the hill. Will the hill pay the dole or create employment , I dont think so . You really need to get a propective on life in a recession.

[nicegirlsarenice]

Brock: then they will build loads of houses and fill people in them.

Then they will say we must make GM foods (that have been shown to cause horrific health problems, sterility/infertility, and death in animals they tested them on) because of all the overpopulation.

Why don't they just leave things the fuck well alone. Why don't they just be happy in so-called "advanced civilization", instead of trying to ruin the planet?

[monster_monster]

Unfortunately nicegirlsarenice most people couldn't give a flying fuck about the environment and nature, you advocate protection of nature and environment and people will label you as a hippy tree hugger and generally bring scorn on you because the media teaches people to disrespect people who care about the environment and nature. Earth is a natural paradise and people exploit her for all shes worth they just don't care about certain animal species and their protection etc. From killing tigers for medicine like in china, to clubbing baby seals for sport to chopping down beautiful forest's, people have become degenerate.

I think you'll find the majority of people do give a damn about the environment, but if for the greater good of a country a but if nature has to be harmed well then so be it. This thread has jumped topic so much since it opened as yourself and NGAN desperatly try to clutch at straws to win a argument that you were well and truly beaten at. Pretty much all you have spouted is half truths and bias. If you opened your eyes and took in the bug picture instead of trying to vilify certain people you'd stand a much better chance of people listening to you and accepting what you have to say

[warmcome]

what i find worrying about the audio tape is
the subjects flurry to gain an upper hand on the arrested
person. their accent may be untypical of the area in which they were arrested.
the first voice states "we'll get immigration fuckin' on her."

it is allegedly the sergeant that first mentions rape.

[carlos marvado]

what i find worrying about the audio tape is
the subjects flurry to gain an upper hand on the arrested
person. their accent may be untypical of the area in which they were arrested.
the first voice states "we'll get immigration fuckin' on her."

it is allegedly the sergeant that first mentions rape.

If anything, that comment shows a certain degree of bias against foreigners and maybe immigrants from those members of the Gardai. For all they know, she could have been born here and spent many years living in North America and acquired her accent that way. If this was the UK and that woman was black or asian, there would be absolute ructions at the highest level over those comments.

[monster_monster]

Bar the terrible joke you can see that the Garda are actually frustrated by their jobs and what they are being asked to do.

Taken from the Irish Times HERE

Garda A: “Who is them two lassies, do you know the two of them?

Garda B: “I don’t know the second one, the first one is (name) with blonde hair.”

Unidentified garda: “She was up on the tractor earlier on.”

Garda A: “It’d do no harm to get the second one’s name again?

Garda B: “She’s some Yank. I don’t know who the f**k she is.”

Unidentified garda : “ Is she a Yank?

Garda B: “It sounds like it, it sounds like it, the accent anyway

Unidentified garda: “Sounds like a Yank or Canadian.”

Garda B: “Well whoever, we’ll get Immigration f**king on her.”

Garda A: “She refused to give her name and address and told she would be arrested.”

Garda B : “.......and deported”

Garda A: “And raped.”

Garda B: “I wouldn’t go that far yet….. She was living down at that crusty camp, f**k sake, you never know what you might get.”

(Laughter)

Garda A: “Give me your name and address or I’ll rape you.”

(Laughter)

Unidentified garda: “Hold it there, give me your name and address there, I’ll rape you.”

(Laughter)

Garda A : “Or I’ll definitely rape you.”

Unidentified garda: “Will you be me friend on Facebook?”

(Conversation continues about Facebook in Garda station)

Excerpt from video camera recording in which gardaí discuss safety and techniques for arrest at protests.

Garda A on phone to a colleague: “I know we don’t want to be arresting them but by the same token, we were left with no option. We have an issue there as well with the lads in the protest removal team there, of actual climbing the tractors. So what we’re going to do is we’re going to get safety ropes and ladders and we’re going to leave them in the van in case we have to go up on the cab of the tractor again. So we’re looking after that now at the moment.”

Garda A: ends call.

Garda B: “You see (muffled) at least you’re a sergeant, like.”

Garda A: “ (unclear) like some of auld timers who were here in the area in the first and second campaign. I’ll tell you one thing, the decisions that were made (muffled) policing at that time.”

Garda B: I’ll still go back to what says there . . . If someone gets hurt we’re going to be on our own in the blocks.”

Garda A: “. . . I don’t think we’re going to be on our own. If we have exercised due diligence and we have used common sense and used whatever was available to us to remove them. At the end of the day, we have a certain duty of care to them. We ask them to get down, if they don’t get down, we tell them we are taking them down forcefully. We take them down forcefully.

“We use whatever means at our disposal, which includes ladders and ropes or whatever to get them down safely. If one of them slips, so f**kin. What can we do?”

Garda B: “Ladders and ropes. All I’m saying is, the point is (Garda B then simulates court exchange)

‘Garda, are you a member of the protest removal team?’

’I am.’

’Have you received training with working at heights?’

’Yes, I have.’

. . .’How did you train to bring someone down?’

’In a harness with ropes.’”

“We didn’t have any of them options today there . . . That’s all I’m saying. And (named garda) is dead right; if we’re in the box:

’Have you received training on how to take a protester down from heights?’

’Yes’.”

“And if we did it with ropes and harnesses . . . then why did you let my client fall? Did you not go get your ropes and harness to take her down. That’s all.”

Garda A: “. . .To get them down safely we’d have to erect a scaffold tower beside them and abseil them down. And and, the, the, taking the common-sense approach, and a common-sense view, it would be impractical to erect a scaffolding tower to get them down off it. And we use whatever safe means at our disposal, as we considered safe (unclear) protest removal team to take them down, ie, ropes and ladders.”

Unidentified garda: “What was the obstruction?”

Garda B: “There was no obstruction . . .”

Garda A: “They were obstructing the road.”

Garda B: “There was no obstruction . . . The tractors (unclear) all other vehicles were able to get past.”

Garda A: “They were obstructing the road. Excuse me. If a car stops there, in the middle of that f***ing road, and it’s stopped there, it’s obstructing the road. It doesn’t have to be blocking it. If it’s parked there it’s obstructing it.”

Unidentified garda: “Well if nothing else they were obstructing the vehicle.”

Garda B: “That’s the only vehicle obstructed.”

Unidentified garda: “. . . free passage.”

Garda A: “The vehicle was obstructing the road. Just because other vehicles could pass didn’t mean the road wasn’t being obstructed.”

Garda A seems to get out of the car . . .

Garda B: “We all said this, it was a safety issue.”

Unidentified garda: “It was the best option . It was the best option at that time, there’s no doubt about it.”

Garda B: “We all said it because of a safety issue. There was three up, there was a wind blowing. And like did you f***ing feel safe, 100 per cent safe going up there taking down two people.”

Unidentified garda: “No”.

Garda B: “...I don’t know what you thought?”

Unidentified garda : “All I know is that if something happens, who’s going to stand f***ing behind me.”

Garda B: “And do you honestly think that is going to turn around and say “oh look it”. We got trained a certain way.

’Garda did you f***ing, take a protester down the way you were trained’.

’No I didn’t.’

’Well then Guard.’

“And the job will say were you f***ing trained a certain way. The job will f***ing ditch you.”

[carlos marvado]

Definitely one of the best debates on E-I........I'm glad I reopened this thread.

Just a few points from my own perspective.

I'm all for peaceful and lawful protest and demonstration......this includes chaining oneself to railings or whatever (once there is no trespass) as this form of protest was ligitimised in most peoples' minds by the suffragetes in the early years of the 20th century.

I believe the natural environment should be protected as a national resource in as much as this is compatible with economic development. As with most things in life, compromise should be possible and there is usually a range of different methods for skining a cat (I'm not suggesting that anyone should go out and skin a cat).

The views of the local population should be taken into account. Although everybody in Ireland and industry will benefit from the natural gas, the people on the ground in Rossmore will have to live with any possible negative consequences. After all, governments and civic planners have been known to cock-up in the past..........who in their right mind would ever have thought of building a nuclear power plant on a geological fault line.........and they've probably got better a administration and civic planners than we have......frightening! Remember all those housing estates built on flood plains during the celtic tiger years?

I'm sure the people who are lambasting nicegirls and Brock would be singing a different tune if a government were to announce the construction of an incinerator or nuclear power plant in their locality. Remember Wood Quay in the late 1970s and early 1980s?........the Dublin civic authorities dug up and destroyed the most ancient aspect of the city's architectural heritage and constructed a 1940s style air raid shelter/flak tower in it's place.

[monster_monster]

Totally disagree with you, the majority of people do not care about the environment, have you seen the state and general decay of some cities on mornings? they are disgusting litter everywhere, do you live near a forest? well i have seen forests with garbage dumped everywhere tons of litter and the streams full of broke rusted washing machine's etc, not only that but if you ever visit a rural area you can see farmers cleaning out their slurry tanks in rivers polluting the whole eco system and endangering wildlife you seem to be living in your own world where you say what suits yourself, if you deny that there is pollution and general degradation of the environment with the last 200 years on this planet, then i don't take you seriously at all. I think people have lost their connection with nature i have seen people sit on a mountain amidst breathtaking beauty and then say its a shit hole, thats the attitude from my experience, maybe you had a different exerpience with people and nature i don't know, but from my experience i don't think people care about the environment of this country litter all over the place.

Last thing I'm going to say on the environment, as it's off topic and I can't be bothered getting in a stupid argument with someone who is obviously doing their best to troll the fuck out of this thread. If the majority of people didn't care about the environment, this city (Dublin) and it's surrounding beauty spots would be a lot worse. IMO you are full of shit and as a way to save face in a simple difference of opinions you have kept trying to go off on tangents on this thread as you couldn't beat a 10 year old in a battle of wits.

You have not only fabricated the truth in this thread but now you are saying moronic statements as the one I highlighted above, when has any one denied that?

[monster_monster]

If the majority of people in Ireland cared about the environment then it would not be the most deforested region in all of europe. People with an attitude like yours who could not give a damn about ancient historical centres in Ireland and forests and them being tore down, and getting viewed at for purchase by foreign interests taking them out of the hands of the people of Ireland does not help Ireland and its people at all. And your defense of the gardai is pathetic in my opinion, the gardai should be going after the rogue bankers and making them pay out debts instead of having the debt thrown on the backs of the people of Ireland, No they don't do things like that they are too busy making jokes about raping woman. I see the truth has hit a chord on you hence your volatile attitude.

Finally back on topic. I am not trying to defend the Gardai, if it was anyone else that made that joke I would of said the exact same thing, that it was WRONG and in AWFULLY POOR TASTE. If you bothered to read the rest of the transcript from the car, you can see that they are just like any normal workers talking about an ungrateful job and being told to do things that not only do they not want to but which could also get them in bother.

As for chasing the bankers that can only be done when the Govt tells them to do it. Unless there has been a law broken (if there has can you please post a link and not just spout off) the Garda can't act.

My attitude ain't volatile, I am calmly making sense and posting on topic which is more that can said for you.

Now if you don't mind when you reply to this, please answer some of the questions I have asked you in this an previous posts and don't bother ranting unless you have real proof.

[Lincoln]

Again you persist on making excuses for them, there can be no excuses for the Gardaí threatening to rape a woman as a joke its just not on, they are not normal workers they are a police force and they should not be talking about raping a woman and then all laughing as if rape was a joke ITS NOT a joke, its blatant coruption and degraded mentality of the serving police officers. If they were any good at all they would be lobbying the government to get permission to go after the rogue bankers who messed up Ireland's economy. They were talking about raping a woman and they were laughing, its a disgrace and luckily they were caught on audio as the public can hear the corruption and general lack of respect from the Gardaí.

Yo Brock I actually waded through your demented non-sequitur nonsense for the last 11 pages.

Since the point of the thread was concerned with the so-called misconduct of the arresting Gardai and not about how everyone else in Ireland dosent care about the environment except Brock lets just confirm a basic point here:

If it is ok in this day and age to take and broadcast conversation that was never intended for the edification of anyone but the individuals concerned then WE ARE ALL PROPER FUCKED. To entertain this nonsense any further is to actually contemplate complete censure and censoring of free expression.

In my honest opinion the owner of the phone should apologise to the Gardai concerned for such a spiteful and short-sighted act. If we can't enjoy privacy anymore folks we are going to be creating a horrible society for ourselves. To entertain the notion that this is an acceptable act is to expose the thin end of a very nasty wedge.