Indies Vs Pimped...

[JAMESCORK]

At the risk of having the wrath of every female poster come down on me, may I make an observation and possibly ask a question into the bargain. Some girls advertising here are occasionally shown to be Agency as has been posted in the warning section…… so what….I possibly need educating here..

Here is my understanding and I am not condoning or criticizing either. I am somewhat confused of the following …

As I see it there are 4 different types of Escorts:

1. True independants: They answer their own phones, book their own accommodation and pay their own bills.

2. Agency Escorts: They work for a known agency, possibly arrive at a premises to work, and leave to go home when finished, or may live in. Certain percentage of earnings goes to agency (I am led to believe 30% ish)

3. Pimped Escorts: Now there is a stigma around the word PIMP. We all visualise a black man wearing a purple suit and gawdy gold jewellery, slapping his biatchs to go to work. Today’s pimps are more likely to be retired Escorts or foreign nationals who cordially organise accommodation and security for those that want it. In return for this escorts pay a percentage (I am led to believe 40-50% ish). Some girls choose to work this way cos its hassle free and has its perks. Arrive at airport, go to prearranged accom, phone is answered for them (no language problems), security may be close by…. Etc..

4. Trafficked or forced: Speaks for itself really. Doing this against their will because the pimp has some hold on them…nasty business indeed.

Ok… so if I am correct in my description of the above, and assuming that we all agree that type 4 is NOT to be tolerated, why should I only be going to type 1. My information reliably tells me that approx half of the ladies you peruse through on these boards are type 3, and a further 10% are type 2. All are happy in their lot and free to move to type 1 or type 2 etc. as they see fit. All three types offer and carry out the same service. (Now of course I know there will always be exceptions, but let’s not let the few cloud the subject at hand). Why are types 2 and 3 scorned upon? Why do we have warnings of discoveries that one is not a TRUE independent when the girl chooses to be where she is and operate as she does? I asked my little birdies “so why state you are independent when you are not”, and the answer given was “because of the stigma of being PIMPED, it scares people and is bad for biz”

Discuss.....

[LynnT]

All I know Is I will always be indy, Its my business and I run it how I want. Keep all the money. Agencies can get busted here in the states as well. Being an indy and low key I shouldn't have problems with the police.

I know in the states gents like to give the lady the money and not a cut to an agency. Indys are low risk too so..

This is how it works in general on my side of the world.

You are legal here so thats a whole new ball game. lol

[hd7055]

JC

As I understand (1) is borderline legal (if the girl is advertising favourites above and beyond french kissing I very much doubt it ...).

(4) is the nightmare scenario and I really do hope that any one who came across (no pun intended) such a situation would immediately call the Guardai.

(2) and (3)? Personally, my opinion is that the ladies on this site work damn hard and deserve every penny they get. Would I be comfortable knowing that a pimp is taking a cut - no? Plus I think you maybe downplaying what pimps are really like.

And yes, I know you're going to say "Well how can you tell (1) from (2) or (3)" Truthfully, you will never be 100% sure but you can look at reviews, movement around the country, etc.

I am in no way being disrespectful of agency workers - just not a side of the industry that I wish to support.

hd.

[JAMESCORK]

JC

As I understand (1) is borderline legal (if the girl is advertising favourites above and beyond french kissing I very much doubt it ...).

(4) is the nightmare scenario and I really do hope that any one who came across (no pun intended) such a situation would immediately call the Guardai.

(2) and (3)? Personally, my opinion is that the ladies on this site work damn hard and deserve every penny they get. Would I be comfortable knowing that a pimp is taking a cut - no? Plus I think you maybe downplaying what pimps are really like.

And yes, I know you're going to say "Well how can you tell (1) from (2) or (3)" Truthfully, you will never be 100% sure but you can look at reviews, movement around the country, etc.

I am in no way being disrespectful of agency workers - just not a side of the industry that I wish to support.

hd.

I hear ya buddy, but I was talking to a type 3 (jaysus, isnt terrible to call them by numbers ..,lol), and she stated that she prefered to work this way as she has no rent to pay and everything is laid on for her. So long as the lass is happy with the percentage fee, tis her perogative really i suppose.

[Amy Alison]

I hear ya buddy, but I was talking to a type 3 (jaysus, isnt terrible to call them by numbers ..,lol), and she stated that she prefered to work this way as she has no rent to pay and everything is laid on for her. So long as the lass is happy with the percentage fee, tis her perogative really i suppose.

The lady had no rent to pay ??
The pimp was paying the rent out of the goodness of his heart ?

And the 50% he took from the girl earnings + the other 50% of the other girl working there went straight away to charity, isn't it ?

[El Gordo]

I don't have a moral problem with agencies, if they are advertising as agencies. I've never believed the argument, which I've read many times here, that "with an independent, she gets 100% of the money". Ask an independent escort some time what her expenses are like. But Irish agencies are a fairly bad deal for the escorts. If a lady doesn't speak much English and doesn't know Ireland then she almost has to come here with an agency initially, but good escorts figure out quite quickly that they are paying 50% and not getting much in return, so the ones who plan to keep coming back tend to go independent as soon as they can. As a result, in Ireland the better escorts tend to be independent. You can certainly get lucky with an agency escort, and I have more than once, but it is more of a risk.

[Lucy Chambers]

Dear oh dear, what has rattled James' cage?

An agency escort is no different to an indie, except for a couple of vital issues..free will being the main one. If I have an appointment, like now, for 8.30am, I am there because I chose to be. Not because my agency rang me and told me to get ready. If you want to be 100 percent sure, then Indie is the only way to go.

[carlos marvado]

I don't have a moral problem with agencies, if they are advertising as agencies. I've never believed the argument, which I've read many times here, that "with an independent, she gets 100% of the money". Ask an independent escort some time what her expenses are like. But Irish agencies are a fairly bad deal for the escorts. If a lady doesn't speak much English and doesn't know Ireland then she almost has to come here with an agency initially, but good escorts figure out quite quickly that they are paying 50% and not getting much in return, so the ones who plan to keep coming back tend to go independent as soon as they can. As a result, in Ireland the better escorts tend to be independent. You can certainly get lucky with an agency escort, and I have more than once, but it is more of a risk.

Agree with you on agencies El Gordo. If the escort is working with them of her free will there is no moral issue. With an agency, your call is probably guaranteed to be answered, you will probably get to see an escort when you show up, however, you may very well not get the girl you expect to meet, she may have little or no English and all the services listed will not necessarily be available......but this risk also exists with independents or those advertised as such. My main issue with agencies, was that I always liked to meet escorts who gave 100% and who would get to keep 100% in return. Plus an independent's attitude towards a client differs from an agency escort's attitude. With the agency escort, you are a client of the agency and high turnover of clients is the name of the game, whereas with an independent you are her client and service is more important to her as she wants to retain repeat clients.

Of course independents do get to keep 100% of the money they make (turnover), but like any business they will have expenditure and outlay.......they just don't have to hand over a proportion or all of it to an agency, pimp or trafficker.

The attitude that some contributers (not referring to El Gordo here) have expressed towards pimps seems a little blase and maybe we all have differing perceptions of what a pimp actually does, but if somebody is controlling an escort, forcing her to do anything that she does not want to do, work when, where or with a client she does not want to, or when any form of coercion or unwelcome influence is being exerted, then that for me is up there with trafficking and I would feel uncomfortable having any interaction with such people on a forum.

[carlos marvado]

My understanding would be somewhat different. Firstly, I doubt that controlled escorts (pimped or trafficked) make up the majority of escorts advertised here as of those that I have gotten to know all were completely independent and at liberty to work in whatever way and wherever they wished. I came across some who had worked in agencies prior to going independent, but again, apart from having to hand over a percentage, they could chose to stay or leave the agency. I only ever encountered one escort who had initially been trafficked here.

As to the different categories, I think we are all pretty much agreed on what constitues an independent escort.

She has pretty much total control over her own business: When and where to work, services, rates, and she can organise her own accommodation (hotel/apartment), transport, advertising, security if she wishes, telephonist if she wishes, and whatever money she makes is hers. Independents who decide to share to keep overheads down or to provide duo services are still independents.

Agency escorts agree to work for an agency and will generally do this because they need or want the organisational aspect to be taken care of by somebody else, very often because they would'nt have sufficient English to strike out as an independent or because they want someone else to deal with the hassle. As with independents, these agency workers still have the element of choice, but there may be pressure exerted on them by the agency to take as many clients as possible. Unlike what Qph has stated, the information that I was told years ago was that the split in Ireland was 50/50 and the escort also has been pay a daily charge for the use of the apartment where she worked and that these apartments where were the escorts worked but did not life. So I don't believe that agency escorts have lower overheads.

I would put pimped and trafficked escorts pretty much in the one category. The trafficked category is obvious, the woman is brought to Ireland under false pretences and then forced to work as an escort against her will through the use of threats, intimidation and physical and/or sexual violence. She is kept a virtual prisoner and sees nothing of the money and is moved forcibly from place to place without any choice.

The pimped escort is forced to do this work by her pimp. Again maybe violence or the threat of violence will be a factor, but probably the escort will also be subjected to psychological or mind control. The pimp will want her to work as much as possible and will control the purse strings, just giving the escort what she needs to live. Freedom of movement will be greater than with the trafficked escort but less than the independent or agency escort and will be subject to the say so of the pimp. The pimp could be anybody; even a member of her own family.

Therefore, unless you stick to 100% independent escorts, you are virtually guaranteed that in addition to paying the escort, you will also be lining the pockets of agency bosses, pimps or traffickers.

[ksteve]

One thing I feel strongly about that has been missed I feel is that the respect and integrity of the client is more likely to be compromised where the escort is pimped. Where the pimped escort does not handle all or any of her communications with the client , there is every danger that the client will find himself in fact unknowingly communicating with somone other than his chosen escort. This could be by way of telephone in the first instance but more alarmingly also be by way of texting,posting and private messaging thereafter . For me that scenario, without the knowledge or consent of the client is very disconcerting , disrespectful and perhaps dangerous to the security of the client. The same risks do not apply IMO when one is dealing with a true indie.