The Swedish Model Versus The UK Model

[Lucy Chambers]

This is Ireland, home of the perpetual fuck up so its almost certain whatever bunch of clowns get power will make a ham fisted job of any change but the UK model would look the most sensible choice, but like I say this is not the UK. I am not sure how the worst option would work in reality anyway, police burst in on two people having, shock horror, sex ? my god the skys falling, is an escort not allowed to have sex outside of her ah hem... time and company providing job ? how could they prove anything if she and he said their eyes meet across a crowded bar and it was lust at first sight. Its not against the law to have a one night stand is it ?

No, you are completely right, but clients will be terrified to risk seeing anyone, which will impact on our business. We will also be forced to work in a completely isolated manner, which is already an issue. The sky isn't falling yet, no. I wouldn't like to be in each town when the gardi have to fulfill their government set targets each month though, and as a search of a property will class as a point toward that target, you can guarantee that you will be seeing a few court cases. This isnt Sweden either.

[El Gordo]

Yes, with nibbles

Count me in, then.

[Violette]

No, you are completely right, but clients will be terrified to risk seeing anyone, which will impact on our business. We will also be forced to work in a completely isolated manner, which is already an issue. The sky isn't falling yet, no. I wouldn't like to be in each town when the gardi have to fulfill their government set targets each month though, and as a search of a property will class as a point toward that target, you can guarantee that you will be seeing a few court cases. This isnt Sweden either.

They are clients already scared shitless at the moment under normal circumstances, this will be the end of prostitution as we know it in Ireland. But like most things of this nature, it will move underground, and that is the danger to us. We will have no protection, except the protection of some unsavory characters and that will never work. Laws like this harm the group that they are supposed to be helping.

[ber]

Nothing is cut and dried at the moment Ber, it wasnt in England either. However, many ladies chose to sign a declaration of Independence and to display this on their individual sites. At the same time regulations on Internet advertising were brought in by the ASA. It would also mean ladies being far easier to target by the Shadow Tax Economy Unit, which seeks to bring those working in the black market out and force them to pay tax. It means that clients have to make there choices carefully, and will definitely impact on those working illegally. So sorry, but I think thats the right thing anyway.

If you like we can sit back and say nothing, or we can try and work something out.

Well im all for that i have been preaching for years that there should be way more onus on the ladies to provide more proof
that they are Independent, but that wont happen here just look at the uproar just over verifying photographs.
As for a decleration of Independence on personal websites the overall percentage of girls with their own website here is a quite
small percentage so id say that would rule out about 80% of the girls.As for the tax thing u have to live in the real world very very
few are paying tax and i think as for being 100% tax compliant the number would be miniscule

[Lucy Chambers]

They are clients already scared shitless at the moment under normal circumstances, this will be the end of prostitution as we know it in Ireland. But like most things of this nature, it will move underground, and that is the danger to us. We will have no protection, except the protection of some unsavory characters and that will never work. Laws like this harm the group that it is aimed at helping.

The misinformation that is being fed to the Media is astounding. According to them, 97 percent of women are forced into prostitution, and economic migration does not exist.

Its a bloody joke.

[Lucy Chambers]

Well im all for that i have been preaching for years that there should be way more onus on the ladies to provide more proof
that they are Independent, but that wont happen here just look at the uproar just over verifying photographs.
As for a decleration of Independence on personal websites the overall percentage of girls with their own website here is a quite
small percentage so id say that would rule out about 80% of the girls.As for the tax thing u have to live in the real world very very
few are paying tax and i think as for being 100% tax compliant the number would be miniscule

Well, I hate to say this, but if it is a choice between having a client sign the sex offenders register or going the extra mile and getting sorted with tax etc, I know what I choose. Clients will have to vote with their head and feet Ber, and if they don't that is going to be the risk they take. I agree that things will have to change, but that change is possibly going to happen anyway. The gravy train has ended.

[El Gordo]

Okie dokie. I am going to do a bit more research into what we need to do but for now here is an example press release of quite a successful collective that are surprisingly effective at lobbying, they were heavily involved in the Clare Finch Case.

English Collective of Prostitutes


Is this something clients would support?

Interesting that the rector of the local church was speaking in support at the meeting. Could we get someone like that here?

[Violette]

The misinformation that is being fed to the Media is astounding. According to them, 97 percent of women are forced into prostitution, and economic migration does not exist.

Its a bloody joke.

The thing about all this bruhaha about sex trafficking is so mis represented. There are more people trafficked to work in restaurants, hotels, and other substandard conditions, being under paid, and basically worked like slaves, and left to live 6 in room. No one says a thing about these poor souls. But as I have said sex is a soft issue to take a stand on.

[Lucy Chambers]

Interesting that the rector of the local church was speaking in support at the meeting. Could we get someone like that here?

If it was the Vicar of Soho Parish he also went to court as a defence witness after the Police closed several brothels. He is a wonderful man

[ber]

Well, I hate to say this, but if it is a choice between having a client sign the sex offenders register or going the extra mile and getting sorted with tax etc, I know what I choose. Clients will have to vote with their head and feet Ber, and if they don't that is going to be the risk they take. I agree that things will have to change, but that change is possibly going to happen anyway. The gravy train has ended.

Well my honest opinion is that alot of guys wont even have the knowledge or skills to do the research needed and the ones
that are scared will just not go to see ladies. U have an awful lot of clients going to see girls because the advent of the internet
in reality it made it seem a much less seedy pastime than going to a brothel or picking up streetgirls. There was an explosion
in the past few years in this type of client who might not otherwise see girls. U will always have a hardcore of clients will see
girls no matter what, but i think alot of the softer clients will stop when they weigh up the risks and decide its just not worth it