Please write in to Metro Herald letters to protest about criminalising clients!

[Franken996]

know it's stating the obvious.. but apart from the likes of K.Myers- who's going to stick their head above the parapet.. (I personally admire KM a lot) but lets face it, he's seen as such a left wing liberal pointy head by many people in IRL, that it's going to take a lot more than him to call a halt to this insanity;
Guys & Girls- I already live in a jurisdiction where this game is criminalized, organize & get vocal or you're facing that prospect really soon- this is the the type of soft pedal push which will engulf the entire mainstream Irish media in a matter of days if it's no nipped in the bud now!!

[Cable87]

Read some of the link for this Turn off the Red Light sight, and wow, all the classic arguments and misconceptions are there, re-packaged for a new consumer. Here are a few lines from their main page which stand out as particularly one-sided and wrong:

"Very few women choose to willingly engage in prostitution. Most who are involved have had very few real choices.

Some argue that prostitution is a harmless, commercial transaction between consenting adults. That women choose to become involved in prostitution and should have the freedom to do so. We refute this. Learn more about countries where the purchase of sex has been criminalised here.

Women involved in prostitution suffer severe physical and emotional harm from providing sex to multiple partners on a daily basis."

It's always tough going for us to fight against so much resentment and mis-information. They set-up a classic Straw man argument about the women who do the work and the men who make use of their services, and anything we try to say if defense is taken as a defacto defense of not only the right of the women to work and the men's right to make use of those services, but they go the one step further and pretend as if we are by extension defending trafficking and exploitation, which certainly NONE OF US would do.

We've got to find a way to get these people to see that while we punters and escorts are certainly in support of stopping human trafficking in all its forms, we also want to reserve the rights of 'consenting adults' to do whatever it is they choose to do in a private setting without it being criminalised.

[scotus]

Read the Keven Myers' column, and agreed, he makes some valid points.

His last point is particularly telling - criminalisation will not halt prostitution, but will drive it further underground.

This will make it less easy to monitor, and of course the money will attract violent pimps, so it could well make the situation worse.

Basing the laws on the Swedish model is interesting, because Swedish society and laws are so different from ours that thinking this could work "because it works in Sweden" is not a valid stance to take.

[Franken996]

Read the Keven Myers' column, and agreed, he makes some valid points.

His last point is particularly telling - criminalisation will not halt prostitution, but will drive it further underground.

This will make it less easy to monitor, and of course the money will attract violent pimps, so it could well make the situation worse.

Basing the laws on the Swedish model is interesting, because Swedish society and laws are so different from ours that thinking this could work "because it works in Sweden" is not a valid stance to take.

as I've mentioned previously, there are no empirical findings* to support this law has worked in Sweden & much strong <albeit> anecdotal evidence to suggest it has made the situation worse ( for woman being trafficked) by virtue of being driven ever deeper underground.
* the "results" are from monitoring by.....( you guessed it, I posted the links before..) the committee headed by that judge who was responsible for instigating this bullshit in Sweden- what are they going to say: " yeah, we totally misread that one, our new law has made thing worse"?? It''s bizarre that no one is calling this one out, it's a straight case of the law of unintended circumstances -something Irish lawmakers (should) have a rather firm grasp on ....

[scotus]

as I've mentioned previously, there are no empirical findings* to support this law has worked in Sweden & much strong <albeit> anecdotal evidence to suggest it has made the situation worse ( for woman being trafficked) by virtue of being driven ever deeper underground.

I agree 100 percent, but there is a lot of kneejerk argumentation, and I was just positing one of these arguments.

All I was trying to say (ok, clumsily I admit) that even if it worked in Sweden, that it would not necessarily work here.

[warmcome]

Labour intend to implement a ban on prostitution-i'm suprised
at the apparent lack of interest on the forum-fairly relevent to us?

i may just vote for this-i feel exploited as a male by the girls on this site-
wavin' um tasty pussy in front of me day after day-
just like a junky-i have to find those €100s somewhere.
nope-time to take a girlfriend/wife and let her decide where and when.

[nicegirlsarenice]

-i feel exploited as a male by the girls on this site-
wavin' um tasty pussy in front of me day after day-
just like a junky-i have to find those €100s somewhere.
nope-time to take a girlfriend/wife and let her decide where and when.

I think there's a lot of truth in this, even though it was probably mainly said in jest. Everyone has to do things they don't really want to at times.

Most of these girls are making an extraordinary amount of money and living lifestyles unimaginable to the rest of us.

[Bruno69]

Labour intend to implement a ban on prostitution-i'm suprised
at the apparent lack of interest on the forum-fairly relevent to us

I am very surprised at the lack of comment on this and none at all from any escorts.

Don't people understand the relevance of this?

Newspaper articles, radio ads, new websites...

This is a really serious attempt to ban escorting. Make no mistake about it.

Again the link is www.turnofftheredlight.ie

Anyway that's my last word tonight. Just bumping it in case latecomers missed it earlier.

[warmcome]

this is where they forced the headshop customers
to go, and guess whats next:

Limerick's Housing Estates..in street view. - SkyscraperPage Forum

"hi, i think i'm near there now-pay the guys sitting in the car?, ok"

[Jack in the Box]

Fair play to everybody who responded to the request. Kevin Myres' article was mentioned in the thread. He is the Ronaldo of Journalism and writing I think and exposed some of the lies that we have to listen to from the groups who want to bring in this retrograde law.