Infractions. Should things be changed?

[El Gordo]

Are we not running away with outselves here ???

These are message boards. They're not something we rely on for an income, nor are they something we suffer from financially if we get barred. Personally I've never been barred for some reason, but if I was - I mean, so what ??? What have I lost exactly ?

True for you and me, but not for escorts.

[Banjo]

Fair enough Banjo but some spend alot of time here and enjoy it.
This is just a suggestion I think will improve things!
You do not post much and prob do not get as caught up in issues as others.
(Lucky bastard that has a life! )

Fair point and yes you're right - I don't post as much as some. Despite first becoming an E-I member in 2006 it's only recently I started to post at all, and I'm still learning about it. One thing I've noted is that there seems to be some very strong personalities on here and it seems clear that a lot more goes on in the background than what actually appears on the public boards, by way of PM's or other means I imagine. This is something I kinda just sit back and monitor in an effort to better understand the boards and why some people take them so seriously. I'm keeping an open mind about it but so far I haven't quiet come up with any reasonable explanations for it. The main question I ask myself is why the boards mean so much to some people. It doesn't seem healthy but perhaps one day I'll understand.

[Banjo]

True for you and me, but not for escorts.

Acknowledged. Thought of that after posting the message though I would add that it's not the boards that generate an income for the escorts either.

[dannyboy10]

The main question I ask myself is why the boards mean so much to some people. It doesn't seem healthy but perhaps one day I'll understand.

PM me if you do and explain it to me!

[dannyboy10]

Acknowledged. Thought of that after posting the message though I would add that it's not the boards that generate an income for the escorts either.

I do not know about that! I mostly visit ladies I get to know on the forum.

[Banjo]

I do not know about that! I mostly visit ladies I get to know on the forum.

Once again then I'm showing my lack of understanding of the message boards so I take my comment back.

[dannyboy10]

Once again then I'm showing my lack of understanding of the message boards so I take my comment back.

Not at all, that is just me. I imagine most appointments are non board related.

[Sam Spade]

I was thinking about the infractions issue and was wondering why there is no appeals procedure.
I have gotten 1 or 2 in my time, and most of them deserved, I have to say. But then I had a couple I did not agree with, so where do you go to argue your case?
The mods and managers do in fairness, a good job most of the time, but, it has to be said are not that open to discussing infractions and bans.
Now I know that they do discuss infractions and bans among themselves but it is very rare that they would reverse each others decision. That is human nature and people do support the people they work with.
As this is a community forum should the community not have some voice in this?

I suggest that an appeals board be set up in relation to bans and infractions. The board could be made up of three appropriate members of the forum community. If you wish to appeal a ban or infraction, you submit your submission to the group who will decide by secret majority vote whether the ban/infraction stands.

This is not to dilute the power of the Mods and Managers, but, serves to give people a chance to air their side of the story and be judged on the merits of their arguement.

I believe that this will lead to less fighting on the forum as some infracions and bans do lead to.

Discuss

I understand where you are coming from.
Was it not the mods that were to represent and look after the members on the boards?
Yes, I know they do the banning, but is it not enough that the collective managers and mods conduct the appeals procedure?

If we form yet another group of members to review such issues. Would this group sometime in the future not be considered another arm of the management?
Would we then be calling for another committee to be set up to review the review process?

Just my thoughts!

[dannyboy10]

I understand where you are coming from. Was it not the mods that were to represent the members on the boards. Yes, I know they do the banning, but is it not enough that the collective managers and mods conduct the appeals procedure?

If we form another group of members to review such issues. Would this group sometime in the future not be then become another arm of the management?
Would we then be calling for another committee to be set up to review the review process?

Just my thoughts!

Fair enough Mark I see your point. But I do not see much difference between the Mods and managers, and as I said, they work so closely together they rarely seem to overrule one another.
The broader point is that I do not know of any proceedure of sanctions that does not have some appeals process.
If you apply for TR and are refused you can appeal it, why not infractions and bans?

[Banjo]

What's the structure here anyway ? I always assumed the managers and mods were not located in Ireland. I reasoned that this was for legal reasons, whereby the site is not hosted in Ireland so makes it difficult to shut down if ever any Irish legal challenge were made against it. I'm no expert in the field at all, but this is why I'd imagine Irish resident members probably could not become in any way associated with the management of the site.