OWO: HPV Virus and link to throat and mouth cancer

[Lincoln]

. It is precisely that kind of attitude that is responsible for the increase in HPV related cancers. There clearly IS a risk, otherwise why have the UK government introduced a national HPV vaccination programme for girls aged 12-13?? ".

Uuummmm....the vaccination programme is to deal with reducing the risk of cervical cancer. I don't see the correlation with risk of developing oral cancers....

[Morpheus]

Are you a doctor then, and do you have some firm medical evidence that you could post here to prove to us that these fears are indeed "overplayed"? If you watch the documentary "Dangerous Practices" which was aired on BBC3 two nights ago, and to which Pat has posted a link, it would certainly appear that a top HPV related cancer specialist from Cambridge University would disagree with you. It is precisely that kind of attitude that is responsible for the increase in HPV related cancers. There clearly IS a risk, otherwise why have the UK government introduced a national HPV vaccination programme for girls aged 12-13?? I hardly think they'd bother to spend all that money if this were all just a storm in a teacup, do you? What I think is very wrong is that they are not also vaccinating boys of the same age, but I guess the cost of that would just be astronomical. HPV related throat cancers are, after all, more commonly diagnosed in men than in women. Bottom line: If you play with fire enough times you will eventually get burned. Why take the risk? I agree with the HPV specialist's comment about unprotected oral sex in the documentary: "PREGNANT IS ABOUT THE ONLY THING YOU CAN'T GET".

I am not denying that there appears to be an association between HPV infection and oropharyngeal cancers. My first point was that the main proven association of HPV causing cancer is cervical carcinoma. Which has far stroger causality with HPv than oral cancers. My second point was that the incidence of this type of cancer is nothing compared to say for example lung cancer - which is directly attributable to smoking. Yet no one seems to bat an eyelid about smoking (and the majority of escorts I know do smoke).

Suddenly now there is an absolute panic about unprotected oral sex cause oral cancer after this documentary. People sometimes miss the big picture in terms of common things being common.

The HPV vaccination programme in girls however, is primarily aimed at the prevention of cervical carcinoma and has no proven evidence as yet that it will impact on the incidence of the rarer oral cancers.

You are however, completely right in your statement - "if you play with fire enough times, you will eventually get burned". However, you are involved in this industry as a provider as I am involved as a client. Any lifestyle brings its risks. I certainly believe in safe sex - primarily for the prevention of HIV & Hep B - which are far greater risks than oral cancers. Your fears are founded given the fact that the risk of acquiring any virus is proportional to the amount and frequency of exposure. However,it isn't possible to be in this industry and not have sex! The term safe sex is a misnomer - it should be correctly labelled 'safer sex' ie. safer but not without risks.

Overall the risks of smoking, alcohol and obesity with regards to cancer far outweigh any risk of oral sex causing cancer. As I said in my previous post , scientist will always overemphasize their personal findings.

Clearly you have to make up your mind and take whatever precautions you decide. As client, I have weighed up risk benefits and decided on what safety precautions I will take and what risks I am willing to take.

The safest option is not to have sex at all. This is not an option I am willing to pursue.

[English Milly Masseuse]

I tend to agree with Morpheus here, unprotected vaginal sex is by far the most high risk behaviour for increasing risk of developing cervical cancer and since protection is used at all times then this is a largely moot point. The condom may have saliva present due to covered oral prior to vaginal sex so there may be an associated infection risk here. In the case of reverse oral most girls insist on clitoral stimulation only which does have an impact on infection risk (that is to say hopefully a reduction).

The bottom line here is basic hygiene and good cleaning practices after indulging in these activities will help enormously. Needless to remark no girl should feel coerced or pressurized into taking an unsheath penis into her mouth, is she provides OWO it should be on a well informed and calculated basis.

In general terms it is good to discuss these items. Good post.

INFORMED AND CALCULATED BASIS!!

This is why guys should only visit reputable ladies who are true professionals and undertake their REGULAR health checks.

Even if you have protected sex with a stranger you are still at risk......it's up to you to reduce these risks.

HPV is spread through skin-to-skin contact with an infected person. HPV can be transmitted even if there are no visible warts. While condoms are an important way to reduce the risk of spreading HPV, they may not provide complete protection if they aren’t covering an infected area that you come into contact with.

Play safe!

(what worries me is when I get a client that has a session with me and then says "was that all safe"? The lack of SELF education among clients is astounding and I wish men would research sexual health and THEN make an informed decision, BEFORE HE PICKS UP THE PHONE)

[AmeliaVIP]

Uuummmm....the vaccination programme is to deal with reducing the risk of cervical cancer. I don't see the correlation with risk of developing oral cancers....

HPV 16 and 18 have been linked to BOTH cervical and oral cancer. The documentary that Pat posted a link to was focusing on the alarming increase in HPV related oral cancers in young people. One of the people featured was only 31, and suffering from throat cancer. A biopsy confirmed it was HPV related.
HPV Cancer Human Papilloma Virus Mouth Cancer Oral Sex

[corkpunter]

I am not denying that there appears to be an association between HPV infection and oropharyngeal cancers. My first point was that the main proven association of HPV causing cancer is cervical carcinoma. Which has far stroger causality with HPv than oral cancers. My second point was that the incidence of this type of cancer is nothing compared to say for example lung cancer - which is directly attributable to smoking. Yet no one seems to bat an eyelid about smoking (and the majority of escorts I know do smoke).

Suddenly now there is an absolute panic about unprotected oral sex cause oral cancer after this documentary. People sometimes miss the big picture in terms of common things being common.

The HPV vaccination programme in girls however, is primarily aimed at the prevention of cervical carcinoma and has no proven evidence as yet that it will impact on the incidence of the rarer oral cancers.

You are however, completely right in your statement - "if you play with fire enough times, you will eventually get burned". However, you are involved in this industry as a provider as I am involved as a client. Any lifestyle brings its risks. I certainly believe in safe sex - primarily for the prevention of HIV & Hep B - which are far greater risks than oral cancers. Your fears are founded given the fact that the risk of acquiring any virus is proportional to the amount and frequency of exposure. However,it isn't possible to be in this industry and not have sex! The term safe sex is a misnomer - it should be correctly labelled 'safer sex' ie. safer but not without risks.

Overall the risks of smoking, alcohol and obesity with regards to cancer far outweigh any risk of oral sex causing cancer. As I said in my previous post , scientist will always overemphasize their personal findings.

Clearly you have to make up your mind and take whatever precautions you decide. As client, I have weighed up risk benefits and decided on what safety precautions I will take and what risks I am willing to take.

The safest option is not to have sex at all. This is not an option I am willing to pursue.

Very good post.

[Bruno69]

I see in the female independent section, sensual delights has decided to no longer offer OWO and CIM and rimming, no doubt influenced by this thread to some degree.

I have often favoured one escort over another because they offer OWO.

For example I haven't seen the wonderful Jasmin in a long time because she doesn't. Sorry Jasmin!

However I'm now prepared to support escorts who don't offer OWO to encourage those who are nervous about it but afraid to drop it from their favorites in case of losing business.

I don't really expect too many punters to offer their support but if you do feel the same, stand up and be counted!

My favorite escort is Selena and nothing would stop me seeing her, but I fully intend to ask her if she wants to practice safer sex with me, I'll respect that. We'll just have to come up with other fun stuff to do to make up for it !

[Sensual Delights]

It is true, Bruno, thanks for noticing.

I was for a long time thinking about offering only safe services and I finally decided to do this, part of my decision being as well this thread (thanks Amelia). The health concerns were not news to me, but you know how sometimes we can be fully aware of some things and push them back in our mind, deciding we are not going to deal with them until we are not ready? Well, I feel ready now.

No doubt, I will probably feel a slight decline in the number of people calling for my services. But the feeling of not being worried at slightest about job related heath problem will be a fair and wonderful compensation for any losses incurred. And who know, after a small adjustment period, I hope to be able to be as busy as usual. At the end of the day, the world is full of people that would love some intimate fun without any risks.

If Cork doesn't support me in my efforts to provide safe services, I will simply do more touring. There is always a solution

[Bruno69]

Heres another thought. I love to have my balls and shaft kissed/licked. Could we come up with a 'favourite' term for this, which implies the escort won't suck your dick as such ( assuming it is safer). It could be an alternative to OWO. Call it BSK or something. Ball and Shaft Kissing.

Maybe I'm going too far here. Just a thought. And I still respect an escorts right to offer OWO and a punters right to ask for it, so don't all start jumping all over me on this.

[Sensual Delights]

Heres another thought. I love to have my balls and shaft kissed/licked. Could we come up with a 'favourite' term for this, which implies the escort won't suck your dick as such ( assuming it is safer). It could be an alternative to OWO. Call it BSK or something. Ball and Shaft Kissing.

Maybe I'm going too far here. Just a thought. And I still respect an escorts right to offer OWO and a punters right to ask for it, so don't all start jumping all over me on this.

Well, for the balls part, I use also "tea bagging". Maybe the expression is not right, but I think think everybody's understanding is that balls can be liked with no problem As long as a shower is taken, and the skin looks clean, there are no risks whatsoever. Plus, the sensation is top notch, so thumbs up for me, I always loved this service.

About the "shaft" ... I am not sure if there is a name for playing with just this part Maybe some native English lady will enlighten us, as I really don't know how to call it. Errr ... "shaftting"

[Bruno69]

I forgot about teabagging. That should cover it nicely, no pun intended!