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    I've been running El Gordo's guide for about a year now, and the rules are still exactly as they were in the beginning:
    - Ratted or N/A reviews are ignored
    - Only the most recent review of an escort by a reviewer is considered
    - Only reviews from reviewers with at least 7 reviews count
    - Only escorts with at least 12 such reviews are eligible to appear
    - Of those, the top 50 escorts in terms of average "Overall Satisfaction" are listed, in alphabetical order.
    - I make no attempt to figure out who is retired unless an escort specifically tells me that she is no longer working and doesn't want to be listed.

    I wasn't sure initially if this was worth the effort, but the main list now has 6,759 views, and the various location lists have 11,005 views between them, so the guide must be useful to someone.

    The rules haven't changed, but there are now many more reviews in the system and there are twice as many escorts who meet the 7/12 criterion. In particular, there are a lot of very good escorts who don't make the cutoff of 50. If you think about the ratings as a star system, where "Very Happy" is five stars and "Very Unhappy" is one star, there are escorts who fail to make the cut because they have "only" 4.8 stars on average. I would have no hesitation about seeing someone like that. In fact I have seen some of them and left very happy.

    I think it's time for an update to the rules, to make the guide more useful. I'll probably do this some time in the next few weeks, unless there are lots of objections. Here are some ideas, but feel free to suggest more.
    - I could tighten the rules for inclusion, raising the numbers 7 and 12. I don't really see the point. It's already quite hard to accumulate that many reviews from established reviewers. For example, Emma in Kildare is a well very known and popular escort, but she hadn't appeared until the most recent update, because she didn't yet have enough reviews from established reviewers.
    - I could try to remove escorts who are retired or who have been gone for a long time. There's no reliable way to do this. Escorts sometimes retire and then months later decide to come back, as Karin (SD) recently did. But I could, for example, remove escorts who haven't been reviewed in more than a year.
    - I could increase the number of escorts on the list. There's a limit to the length of blog posts, so this would mean more than one post and messing up some people's bookmarks. And what would be a good number to increase it to?
    - Or I could just leave everything as it is. For those of us in Dublin that would probably be fine. There are always quite a few escorts from the list to choose from. Outside Dublin it's more of a problem. In most counties there are none.
    If anyone has any other ideas, please suggest them on this thread.

    “I wish you wouldn’t keep appearing and vanishing so suddenly; you make one quite giddy!”
    “All right,” said the Cat; and this time it vanished quite slowly, beginning with the end of the tail, and ending with the grin, which remained some time after the rest of it had gone.

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    A job well done, and it seems that we are unable to come up with any suggestions ,you have thought of everything,thanks for the time and dedication you have put into this El GORDO, and you deserve high praise for a job well done
    regards Ric
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    I don't know about anyone else, but I always cross-reference my "to do" list, with El Gordo's List.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ric Hardgear View Post
    A job well done, and it seems that we are unable to come up with any suggestions ,you have thought of everything,thanks for the time and dedication you have put into this El GORDO, and you deserve high praise for a job well done
    regards Ric
    Why do you assume nobody will come up with any suggestions

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    Thank you for the list El Gordo, you did a very good job for such a long time

    Below are my suggestions:


    - Ratted and N/A should remained ignored.

    - Only the most recent review from a reviewer is considered:

    This is already done, also by the review team. I suppose you should only have a quick view to see if maybe some duplicates have not yet been deleted. This should work only for reviews of the same kind, but if the positive changed to negative or vice versa, I think you should take both into consideration because it affects the “reliability” factor. This might be done as well by the review team by I think I have also seen situations where a negative review has been covered by a subsequent negative or vice versa.

    - Only reviews from reviewers with at least 7 reviews count:

    Up to you. 7 is a decent enough number. If you make it too high, you’ll leave out lots of excellent escorts a little unlucky when it comes to getting reviews. But keep in mind as well that the more times it will pass, the more escorts you will have for this list. Because of this, I would personally suggest each year to add a few more to this figure, to count for time passing. A figure of 3 – 4 extra this year should be fine. Most active reviewers will have at least this extra figure in one year time.

    - Only escorts with 12 eligible reviews to appear:

    Should be fine. Too many, the list is too exclusive. You can increase this slightly only if the list of active escorts is much higher than in the previous year.

    - Alphabetical order to list the escorts that make it into the list - perfectly fine.

    - Retirement

    You can safely list escorts that have active reviews within the last 1 year or maybe 1.5 years. If you ever get an exception to this, you can amend it manually, like you did in my case.

    - In particular, there are a lot of very good escorts who don't make the cut-off of 50. If you think about the ratings as a star system, where "Very Happy" is five stars and "Very Unhappy" is one star, there are escorts who fail to make the cut because they have "only" 4.8 stars on average

    I think here is your big problem, why the list needs to be extended at the moment . I think here should be given a negative score in certain situations (very unhappy, fairly unhappy). “Very unhappy” and “reliability” don’t go exactly hand in hand, and such reviews should be deducted, same way as the Escort of the Month does.
    Let’s just take as example 2 escorts with the same number of reviews, with a score right below the cut of point to make it to the list. One of them is touring, one of them is not (like me for example). Assuming that touring escorts has a chance (in theory) to get more reviews, then the touring escort can make it to the list even by getting a negative review.

    So maybe you can make something like -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 (whatever numbers you wish preven they are in sync with the satisfaction factor).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensual Delights View Post
    Thank you for the list El Gordo, you did a very good job for such a long time
    You're welcome.
    Thanks for your suggestions, the ones on this thread and the ones last year when I was setting this up.

    This is already done, also by the review team. I suppose you should only have a quick view to see if maybe some duplicates have not yet been deleted. This should work only for reviews of the same kind, but if the positive changed to negative or vice versa, I think you should take both into consideration because it affects the “reliability” factor. This might be done as well by the review team by I think I have also seen situations where a negative review has been covered by a subsequent negative or vice versa.
    Most of the process is automated. I started this before E-I implemented it's one review per reviewer/escort rule, so I wrote the programs in a way which would use only the most recent review for an escort/reviewer pair. If I were rewriting them completely then I would probably just use all the active reviews, as you say. Practically I think it is unlikely to make much difference. Cases where a review changes from positive to negative or vice versa are rare.

    - Only reviews from reviewers with at least 7 reviews count:

    Up to you. 7 is a decent enough number. If you make it too high, you’ll leave out lots of excellent escorts a little unlucky when it comes to getting reviews. But keep in mind as well that the more times it will pass, the more escorts you will have for this list. Because of this, I would personally suggest each year to add a few more to this figure, to count for time passing. A figure of 3 – 4 extra this year should be fine. Most active reviewers will have at least this extra figure in one year time.
    The goal when I chose the number 7 was to eliminate most of the fakes. If an escort writes a review of herself, that review won't be counted unless she writes reviews of six other escorts, which seems unlikely. I'm not sure if this is really as effective as I had hoped. Many, perhaps most, fake reviews are not written by escorts. Agencies write reviews of their escorts, and they could easily have 7 or more from the same account. But it seems unlikely that an agency escort would stay around long enough to get on the list. A bigger problem is professional reviewers. There are people who offer to write reviews in exchange for money or discounts. These people may have dozens of reviews from the same account. Unless they are lazy these fakes can be very hard to detect.

    - Retirement

    You can safely list escorts that have active reviews within the last 1 year or maybe 1.5 years. If you ever get an exception to this, you can amend it manually, like you did in my case.
    I think I will do something like this. It would be better to check whether the profile has been active, but I don't have access to that information. I still haven't decided how long to wait before removing people. Probably a year.

    One thing that might be worth pointing out is that I am counting only visible reviews. If an escort opts out of the review system she will stop appearing on the list, although not immediately. Normally an escort with excellent reviews is not going to want to opt out, but some escorts do this when they retire, as a precaution against people later finding out about their previous job. For example, Diana M disappeared from the list when she opted out after retirement. I would recommend this to any escort who is retiring, since you can always opt back in if you decide to start working again.

    - In particular, there are a lot of very good escorts who don't make the cut-off of 50. If you think about the ratings as a star system, where "Very Happy" is five stars and "Very Unhappy" is one star, there are escorts who fail to make the cut because they have "only" 4.8 stars on average

    I think here is your big problem, why the list needs to be extended at the moment . I think here should be given a negative score in certain situations (very unhappy, fairly unhappy). “Very unhappy” and “reliability” don’t go exactly hand in hand, and such reviews should be deducted, same way as the Escort of the Month does.
    Let’s just take as example 2 escorts with the same number of reviews, with a score right below the cut of point to make it to the list. One of them is touring, one of them is not (like me for example). Assuming that touring escorts has a chance (in theory) to get more reviews, then the touring escort can make it to the list even by getting a negative review.

    So maybe you can make something like -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 (whatever numbers you wish preven they are in sync with the satisfaction factor).
    I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. Currently I am averaging the "overall satisfaction" ratings, and then sorting them. So if I changed from 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 to -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 the effect would be to shift everyone's average down by 3, but it wouldn't change the order, so the list would be the same. But I'm not sure if that's what you're suggesting.

    The question of whether the list discriminates against ladies who don't tour is an interesting one. I think there is a bias, but it is complicated. For example, Dublin has more than enough punters for an escort to make the list quickly without touring. In Cork or Galway or Limerick it is harder. In a smaller town like Kildare it is very difficult. There you would typically be seeing the same fairly small community of punters repeatedly, and many of those wouldn't have reviewed enough other escorts to qualify as "established". Similarly, for touring escorts the list will be biased towards ladies who tour the major cities rather than the small towns. So travelling escorts do better than settled escorts in a list like this, but it also matters a lot where you are.

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    Well done el gordo your list is a who is who of top escorts and a huge help to us all

    keep up the good work

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    So far the only change I have made is to drop escorts who haven't been reviewed for more than a year. I'm still considering expanding the list, but I haven't made any definite decision on that.

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    I've decided to double the number of escorts on the list, for the reasons described in my post above. There is a limit on the length of a blog post, so I had to split the list. That will break people's bookmarks, unfortunately. I decided that since I have to split the list anyway, I would split it into ten posts, so that I can include photos. Since many escorts often have the same name, the photos should help in figuring out which escorts are included.

    “I wish you wouldn’t keep appearing and vanishing so suddenly; you make one quite giddy!”
    “All right,” said the Cat; and this time it vanished quite slowly, beginning with the end of the tail, and ending with the grin, which remained some time after the rest of it had gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gordo View Post
    I've decided to double the number of escorts on the list, for the reasons described in my post above. There is a limit on the length of a blog post, so I had to split the list. That will break people's bookmarks, unfortunately. I decided that since I have to split the list anyway, I would split it into ten posts, so that I can include photos. Since many escorts often have the same name, the photos should help in figuring out which escorts are included.
    In fairness , el . You are a great bit of stuff. Well done on all your good work and keep it up.

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