Hiroshima Anniversary

[Navillus04]

Jeez. Well, I understood the last bit, anyway. Could you run me through that in very simple terms? I always dropped the bunsen burner so they stopped letting me in to chemistry..

Basically Lucy, if its green and glowing, STAY AWAY no matter how enticing it is!

[Lucy Chambers]

That works for me. Think alien. Cool!

[Mousey]

Do not approach this man or his glowing penis.

[texas]

I wasnt talking about nuclear warfare, i was merely explaining how radioactive decay takes place and the processes that occur during alpha/beta particle and gamma ray emission from nuclear isotopes.

As for my source, well thats easy, that would be my doctorate in analytical, nuclear, atomic and thermal chemistry buddy

I am not your buddy more of an associate

which means that Hiroshima will be a radioactive and an inhospitable environment for the next billion or so odd years,

All animal and plant life will have mutated genes, same can be said for humans. The teratogenic and mutagenic effects of the gamma radiation will mean that Hiroshima and Nagasaki will forever be blighted by every type of cancer imaginable, genetic defects, birth defects, you name it, it will happen and is happening.

These are the incorrect points you made.
Please read Hiroshima and Nagasaki: The Physical, Medical and Social Effects of the Atomic Bombings

Nuke bombs cause three types of radiation: thermal, initial and residual. Initial radiaition is released by the blast itself. Residual radiation comes from radioactive isotopess either made by the explosion or else induced in soil or debris by neutron bombardment unleashed by the blast.
The nuke that destroyd hiroshima produced residual radiation, but it didn't last long. The bomb was detonated at 800 meters above ground zero. That limited surface contamination, since most of da radioactive debris was carried off into the sky instead of falling in Hiroshima. There was fallout in the form of falling ash and rain, but it was spread over a very wide area and deaths caused by it where very low.
Second, most of the radioactive isotopes had short half-lives. The bomb sites were intensely radioactive for a short time after the nuke, but thereafter the level dropped rapid. Yanks in Hiroshima with Geiger counters a month later to see if the area was safe found little radioactivity. Plants blackened by the blast had already begun to grow again.
Hiroshima is perfectly safe for habitiation and has been so since 1945.
Although residual radiation was a threat, many of those who lived thru the blasts had already absorbed the initial radiation doses that woukd kill or sicken them. However, no genetic damage was found in people conceived after the blasts.
Your points are incorrect.
The hiroshima site is not radioactive.
there is no proof of long lasting genetic damage.

[texas]

before and after

[texas]

more proof from the R.E.R.F

Frequently Asked Questions - Radiation Effects Research Foundation

[Navillus04]

I am not your buddy more of an associate



These are the incorrect points you made.
Please read Hiroshima and Nagasaki: The Physical, Medical and Social Effects of the Atomic Bombings

Nuke bombs cause three types of radiation: thermal, initial and residual. Initial radiaition is released by the blast itself. Residual radiation comes from radioactive isotopess either made by the explosion or else induced in soil or debris by neutron bombardment unleashed by the blast.
The nuke that destroyd hiroshima produced residual radiation, but it didn't last long. The bomb was detonated at 800 meters above ground zero. That limited surface contamination, since most of da radioactive debris was carried off into the sky instead of falling in Hiroshima. There was fallout in the form of falling ash and rain, but it was spread over a very wide area and deaths caused by it where very low.
Second, most of the radioactive isotopes had short half-lives. The bomb sites were intensely radioactive for a short time after the nuke, but thereafter the level dropped rapid. Yanks in Hiroshima with Geiger counters a month later to see if the area was safe found little radioactivity. Plants blackened by the blast had already begun to grow again.
Hiroshima is perfectly safe for habitiation and has been so since 1945.
Although residual radiation was a threat, many of those who lived thru the blasts had already absorbed the initial radiation doses that woukd kill or sicken them. However, no genetic damage was found in people conceived after the blasts.
Your points are incorrect.
The hiroshima site is not radioactive.
there is no proof of long lasting genetic damage.

Again, im not talking about nuclear bombs as such, just radioactive isotopes in general. As i stated earlier i was only explaining how decay and half life of radioactive isotopes work with regard to alpha particle, beta particle and gamma ray emission. Carbon 14 decays in the same way yet it isnt a nuclear weapon.

Uranium 235 (which was used in Little Boy) and Uranium 238 do NOT have short half lifes, that is why they are so problematic. The half lifes are 713000000 and 4500000000 years respectively. As the definition of half life is the time it takes for HALF the nuclei in a radioactive isotope to decay, then it is double the aforementioned amount of years before all of the nuclei in the isotope have decayed and will not be radioactive anymore. I dont need to quote a book on this as it is basic nuclear chemistry.

All you have to do is look at Chernobyl to see the long term effects of radiation fallout.

Long after the acute effects of radiation have subsided, radiation damage will continue to produce a wide range of physical problems. These include leukemia, cancer and many others which often dont appear for a generation or two later. According to Japanese data, there was an increase in anaemia among persons exposed to the bomb. In some cases, the decrease in white and red blood cells lasted for up to twenty years after the bombing.

All ionising radiation is carcinogenic. Some tumour types are more readily generated than others. One of the most prevalent types is leukaemia. The cancer incidence among survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is significantly larger than that of the general population and a significant correlation between exposure level and degree of incidence has been reported for thyroid cancer, breast cancer, lung cancer and cancer of the salivary gland. Often a generation or two passes before radiation caused malignancies appear. An excess risk of leukemia was one of the earliest delayed effects of radiation exposure seen in the victims, and today, more than 60 years after the bombs, this excess is reflected as the most widely apparent long-term radiation effect.

[texas]

which means that Hiroshima will be a radioactive and an inhospitable environment for the next billion or so odd years,

Seeing as Uranium 235 emits gamma radiation as well as alpha and beta particles, the effects on future generations will be untold. All animal and plant life will have mutated genes, same can be said for humans. The teratogenic and mutagenic effects of the gamma radiation will mean that Hiroshima and Nagasaki will forever be blighted by every type of cancer imaginable, genetic defects, birth defects, you name it, it will happen and is happening.

Again lets look at the two intial points you made above
Please provide evidence for these statements or retract them.
Here is what the RERF formally the ABCC has too say
Hiroshima is not radioactive
Frequently Asked Questions - Radiation Effects Research Foundation
No cancer evidence in subsequent generation's of Japs.
Frequently Asked Questions - Radiation Effects Research Foundation
Cancer incidence in children and young adults did not increase relative to parental exposure to atomic bombs
Radiation-related mortality among offspring of ato... [Int J Cancer. 2003] - PubMed result

Uranium 235 (which was used in Little Boy) and Uranium 238 do NOT have short half lifes, that is why they are so problematic. The half lifes are 713000000 and 4500000000 years respectively. As the definition of half life is the time it takes for HALF the nuclei in a radioactive isotope to decay, then it is double the aforementioned amount of years before all of the nuclei in the isotope have decayed and will not be radioactive anymore. I dont need to quote a book on this as it is basic nuclear chemistry.

No-ones disputing the Half life of U-235 however the residual radiation at Hiroshima was over 90% gone by one week after the bombings and was less than the background level by one year.
As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki proper, the longest-lasting induced radionuclide that occurred in amounts sufficient to cause concern was cesium-134 (with a half-life of about 2 years)
see first link above

All you have to do is look at Chernobyl to see the long term effects of radiation fallout.

Chernobyl is a completely different situation.There was little radioactive fallout at Hiroshima (glasstone and dolan 1977 effects of Nuclear weapons p36)
Also see link first above

Long after the acute effects of radiation have subsided, radiation damage will continue to produce a wide range of physical problems. These include leukemia, cancer and many others which often dont appear for a generation or two later. According to Japanese data, there was an increase in anaemia among persons exposed to the bomb. In some cases, the decrease in white and red blood cells lasted for up to twenty years after the bombing.
All ionising radiation is carcinogenic. Some tumour types are more readily generated than others. One of the most prevalent types is leukaemia. The cancer incidence among survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is significantly larger than that of the general population and a significant correlation between exposure level and degree of incidence has been reported for thyroid cancer, breast cancer, lung cancer and cancer of the salivary gland. Often a generation or two passes before radiation caused malignancies appear. An excess risk of leukemia was one of the earliest delayed effects of radiation exposure seen in the victims, and today, more than 60 years after the bombs, this excess is reflected as the most widely apparent long-term radiation effect.

The cancers you are referring to are people who where exposed to the bomb and the initial radiation. (there was little residual radioactive fall out at Hiroshima), as it says in your text this does not validate the disputed points. There is no proof that future generation's have been affected.
See second groups of links above

Heres a picture of Hiroshima today. A radioactive Hellhole populated by mutants.

[CrackShotJack]

Being the intellectual dregs that most of you are it will have probably escaped your collective notice that today is the 65th anniversary of the atomic bomb attack on Hiroshima. Of the 9 countries that have (or are believed to have) nuclear weapons, only one country (the United States) has ever used such a weapon of mass destruction on another nation.

At 0815 on this day 65 years ago, the American B-29 bomber "Enola Gay" dropped an atomic bomb (called "Little Boy") from 32,000 feet above Hiroshima, a city with approximately 350,000 inhabitants. The bomb took 43 seconds to fall to 2,000 feet above the ground, its point of fission, at which point it detonated in a type of explosion called an airburst.

Around 75,000 people were incinerated within 3 seconds of the blast. Another 70,000 were burned and died in the ruins of thirst in the chaos of the fallout. The flash heat of the radiation burned shadows onto walls, fused clothes to skin, and charred and melted flesh so that it ran like water. The shockwave demolished everything within a radius of 12 square kilometers.

President Truman rationalised this act of genocide by concluding that Operation Downfall (the proposed Allied invasion of Japan) would be so costly to human life that it was better to use the atom bomb to force Japan to surrender.





In 1961, the Soviet Union detonated the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear bomb in history, above the Kola Peninsula. The fireball from this weapon from ranged from ground level to 35,000 feet. The shockwave caused earth tremours 620 miles away, and the shockwave passed around the Earth three times. The mushroom cloud was 40 miles high, stretching up into the Earth's mesosphere. Everything within 35 square kilometers of its detonation was reduced to ashes.

What's your point buddy? I am an american and when we delivered that knockout punch at least the little commie fuckers had enough balls to know when they were defeated. America are the world's police force. This is just a fact.

[Doozer]

What's your point buddy? I am an american and when we delivered that knockout punch at least the little commie fuckers had enough balls to know when they were defeated. America are the world's police force. This is just a fact.

One nobdoy asked for. How can it police the whole world when it is only protecting its own interests