Mia Doring on the “Episode” podcast with Richie Sadlier

[IrishSarahBarra]

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[oddball]

I'm rather confused by the she was raped and traumatized so she got into the sex trade bit, if it was traumatic would you not be adverse to similar scenarios as "triggering"?

Also - UCD dropout -> Art college -> Institute of Art and Design -> Journalism... doesn't seem like she was stuck for cash given that's not exactly a career path but instead the path of a dreamer with notions of being the next Picasso or such. Definitely sounds like a privileged background and probably did escorting for kicks, or drama, as opposed to got into escorting out of need for cash, so I question her claim "You do it when you feel like it, whenever you need some extra money.".

[IrishSarahBarra]

No extortionate accomodation costs to pay, no dodgy landlords to deal with etc, no having to do things she wasn't comfortable with that she didn't create for herself accidentally or on purpose.

Not just relatively privileged in relation to people entering the industry, my point is that she was privileged in the type of clients that she could attract. She wasn't getting the dregs, she was meeting what you and I would class as normal people or she at least could have been meeting them. I don't buy that she was abused beyond her own making.

The only part of it I do buy is that she was previously raped and traumatised and somehow ended up in the industry like how people end up in the party life continuing a cycle of abuse and self abuse, but I reckon it was with herself and demons who didn't exist.

Lots of people who were abused do end up in sex work, I don't doubt that. For lots of reasons, some because they know they can do it, they're at a loss, they were stunted earlier on and are playing catch up now, led into it by a dodgy partner, etc, etc, many reasons.

I have sympathy for it up to a point, she was raped by someone at some stage who wasn't a punter, she was traumatised, she was young, but don't going interfering with other sex workers abilities to manage, control or keep safe their sexual situations.

She's lost me at that and at her farcical tale of abuse in the industry.

Anyhow, I shouldn't even read these, I promised myself to ignore all things political...give me peace 🙏🏼 I just saw her face, read her nonsense and sparked.

[AngelsFan]

I'm rather confused by the she was raped and traumatized so she got into the sex trade bit, if it was traumatic would you not be adverse to similar scenarios as "triggering"?

I'm not sure it works strictly like that. I think sometimes there can be an "I'm already broken anyway, so.." effect but I'm no expert

Anyhow, I shouldn't even read these, I promised myself to ignore all things political...give me peace 🙏🏼 I just saw her face, read her nonsense and sparked.

I'm sorry if I did that to you by posting it here. I agree with practically everything you've posted on it.



I listened to it.
I found it interesting, but very one sided. And very much how IrishSarahBarra describes her.

Privilege was a very evident backdrop to her story.
And she is very self congratulatory about getting the Nordic law passed and seems to take full sole credit for doing so. Neither of them ever questioned whether it left other women still in the sex industry in Ireland in a better or worse place.

Two psychotherapists talking to each other so it's that level of privilege and self indulgence of people who aren't too caught up in everyday life, of struggling to pay bills or trying to find time to meet family commitments while holding down a job. People who have the luxury of time, to dwell almost non stop on how they feel and why they're not quite happy enough.

She claims to completely forget how she came to set up an account on Escort-Ireland, and also no memory of her first client as an escort.
Some 30 year old abuser who groomed her, and paid her for sex is blamed for leading her mind in the direction of escorting.
Something about that part of the story seems a little convenient to me, but it may be completely true.

She really hates clients, every client, referring to them frequently as losers, damaged, psychopaths, dumping their trauma onto and into women. Losers, get a life, paying for consent to rape. Totally disconnected from themselves, from some very wounded part of themselves, and from her when they were with her. Traumatised narcissistic men.
That's the basic take on punters.

She detests reviews and reviewers. She uses reviews as ultimate proof that this is sex without humanity.
She shows the reviews, good and bad when she goes into schools to talk to the students.

She says she realises now she doesn't have to give talks about her experience anymore and that is a huge relief, and that she won't, which seems dissonant with the sense you get of how much she enjoys speaking of it and has made a business of a sort talking about it.

I think it is worth a listen, by clients at least. If only that it might make a few of us slightly better clients or better people in every day interactions.
Like Palatine getting huffy with the Tesco worker.

Lots of people don't like their jobs. And lots of jobs take a toll on people, physical and mental
We don't try to rescue farmers or brick layers or mechanics or warehouse pickers or ballet dancers.

But I think it's sometimes useful to take a step away from the echo chamber that is the forum and occasionally ponder



I would like to read the anonymous blog she wrote around 2012.
If anyone has a link or a way to read it I would appreciate a PM.

[Harry68]

I have to admit that while I've read her articles a few times I only listened to this podcast on the way home today. I would agree with AF's comments on it in the main. She's taken control of the narrative as she sees it and the interview is very much a soft soap. It would be difficult to find anyone to argue a counterview on even a niche podcast like this which is a shame as I think it would have made what was a fairly interesting if one sided conversation way more interesting.

The only thing I would disagree with is that Richie Sadlier very much earned whatever privilege he may have now. He had a lot of things to deal with at a young age and to have overcome them is a credit. I bought his "Lets Talk" book for my eldest when it came out. Its a fine book and if I was making a book about sex education, consent and teen relations compulsory this would be on the shortlist. Whether it really can achieve anything against the barrage of stuff through the phone from the likes of Andrew Tate and other knuckle draggers is another thing but having read it myself it would have been good to have been given it 35-40 years ago.

[AngelsFan]

I have to admit that while I've read her articles a few times I only listened to this podcast on the way home today. I would agree with AF's comments on it in the main. She's taken control of the narrative as she sees it and the interview is very much a soft soap. It would be difficult to find anyone to argue a counterview on even a niche podcast like this which is a shame as I think it would have made what was a fairly interesting if one sided conversation way more interesting.

The only thing I would disagree with is that Richie Sadlier very much earned whatever privilege he may have now. He had a lot of things to deal with at a young age and to have overcome them is a credit. I bought his "Lets Talk" book for my eldest when it came out. Its a fine book and if I was making a book about sex education, consent and teen relations compulsory this would be on the shortlist. Whether it really can achieve anything against the barrage of stuff through the phone from the likes of Andrew Tate and other knuckle draggers is another thing but having read it myself it would have been good to have been given it 35-40 years ago.

I do agree with you. I probably phrased my own opinions poorly especially around Richie Sadlier. His commentary around the whole Belfast rape trial was in my opinion right on the money and I'm sure the quality of the work he does speaking to young people in school about sex education and respect for each other is excellent. I haven't read his book yet but I heard he was very open about his time as a young footballer and his painful experiences and abuse in that industry.