Mia Doring on the “Episode” podcast with Richie Sadlier

[IrishSarahBarra]

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Actually, that advert would probably do great but a third for all the wrong reasons, a third for all the people who'd hope you're playing and they want to play too, and a third because I didn't write it well and it might be a princess domming ...or Rachel.

[Harry68]

"I still find it hard to swallow her piece entirely - how much money does someone chase if they loathe it and are only using their income as disposable cash, and are not funding a drug dependency/alcohol addiction etc?"

I'm struck by the number of overseas ladies (i can't comment on anyone else) who are doing for monetary reasons and often quite well defined ones who will spend huge sums on designer clothes / bags etc. That is not me being judgemental although it may sound like that but it seems a hard way to see maybe 7/8 people minimum to buy something that gets put in the back of the closet and make that initial goal a little bit further away. Money is a means to validate yourself and at the same time for some it is also a reminder of how they have gotten it.

I was/am a heavy gambler. I grew up around horse racing people and a set that loved to plot and gamble. I know that nothing is so dangerous as having a big win. It's spectacularly easy to give the money back in minutes to the bookmaker or just as easy to buy something stupid with it. Money does funny things to people and their judgements no matter who they are especially money they feel was not earned "properly". I spent 35 years from my first bet to a few years ago learning that. For the record any money you've earned honestly through your efforts physically or mentally is "proper" money in my book.

In terms of vulnerability I saw someone about two months ago that left me deeply disturbed. I'm talking someone deeply unhappy, isolated and lonely. I'm pretty certain she had given birth within the last 6 months. Maybe she had just had a bad client or was missing home. What does one do then? One definitely decides there is no point in continuing what you had intended. One asks "are you ok" but are really hoping that the answer is anything but "no I'm terrible". One asks "am I the only person who has seen this" amidst the glowing reviews. One goes "why the f@@k am I feeding the machine?". One knows why they are feeding the machine but maybe that is not good enough. "Hard cases make bad laws" I tell myself. Yeah right.

[IrishSarahBarra]

Aye, I hear you but I'm not talking about everyone, I'm taking about her in particular and girls like her. She was privileged af in terms of what she was doing. She had one traumatising event prior to her getting into the business. She didn't work often, she didn't have to work often, she was in a healthy position to clock watch as she said so herself. She was playing, she hasn't a notion, and now she's dramatising her particular situation because she can do. Some people said some off putting things to her sometimes.



She was a pretty young white Irish girl from Monkstown from a two parent family who could write and communicate well I'm English, and did well enough and had resources enough to go to UCD, she dabbled in escorting for a few years, had no disabilities (bar her previous trauma), no kids, no mortgage, no addictions, had brains enough and stability enough to continue her studies.

She hasn't a notion, and is dramatising her past and capitalising at the expense of others.

I don't like women like her. There are plenty of women in the industry who are not as privileged as she was who are happy af to be in the industry because they actually know what it's like to struggle, and what they would like is to be able to do it in a safe environment and without interference from people like her.

[IrishSarahBarra]

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[oddball]

I'm rather confused by the she was raped and traumatized so she got into the sex trade bit, if it was traumatic would you not be adverse to similar scenarios as "triggering"?

Also - UCD dropout -> Art college -> Institute of Art and Design -> Journalism... doesn't seem like she was stuck for cash given that's not exactly a career path but instead the path of a dreamer with notions of being the next Picasso or such. Definitely sounds like a privileged background and probably did escorting for kicks, or drama, as opposed to got into escorting out of need for cash, so I question her claim "You do it when you feel like it, whenever you need some extra money.".

[IrishSarahBarra]

No extortionate accomodation costs to pay, no dodgy landlords to deal with etc, no having to do things she wasn't comfortable with that she didn't create for herself accidentally or on purpose.

Not just relatively privileged in relation to people entering the industry, my point is that she was privileged in the type of clients that she could attract. She wasn't getting the dregs, she was meeting what you and I would class as normal people or she at least could have been meeting them. I don't buy that she was abused beyond her own making.

The only part of it I do buy is that she was previously raped and traumatised and somehow ended up in the industry like how people end up in the party life continuing a cycle of abuse and self abuse, but I reckon it was with herself and demons who didn't exist.

Lots of people who were abused do end up in sex work, I don't doubt that. For lots of reasons, some because they know they can do it, they're at a loss, they were stunted earlier on and are playing catch up now, led into it by a dodgy partner, etc, etc, many reasons.

I have sympathy for it up to a point, she was raped by someone at some stage who wasn't a punter, she was traumatised, she was young, but don't going interfering with other sex workers abilities to manage, control or keep safe their sexual situations.

She's lost me at that and at her farcical tale of abuse in the industry.

Anyhow, I shouldn't even read these, I promised myself to ignore all things political...give me peace 🙏🏼 I just saw her face, read her nonsense and sparked.

[AngelsFan]

I'm rather confused by the she was raped and traumatized so she got into the sex trade bit, if it was traumatic would you not be adverse to similar scenarios as "triggering"?

I'm not sure it works strictly like that. I think sometimes there can be an "I'm already broken anyway, so.." effect but I'm no expert

Anyhow, I shouldn't even read these, I promised myself to ignore all things political...give me peace 🙏🏼 I just saw her face, read her nonsense and sparked.

I'm sorry if I did that to you by posting it here. I agree with practically everything you've posted on it.



I listened to it.
I found it interesting, but very one sided. And very much how IrishSarahBarra describes her.

Privilege was a very evident backdrop to her story.
And she is very self congratulatory about getting the Nordic law passed and seems to take full sole credit for doing so. Neither of them ever questioned whether it left other women still in the sex industry in Ireland in a better or worse place.

Two psychotherapists talking to each other so it's that level of privilege and self indulgence of people who aren't too caught up in everyday life, of struggling to pay bills or trying to find time to meet family commitments while holding down a job. People who have the luxury of time, to dwell almost non stop on how they feel and why they're not quite happy enough.

She claims to completely forget how she came to set up an account on Escort-Ireland, and also no memory of her first client as an escort.
Some 30 year old abuser who groomed her, and paid her for sex is blamed for leading her mind in the direction of escorting.
Something about that part of the story seems a little convenient to me, but it may be completely true.

She really hates clients, every client, referring to them frequently as losers, damaged, psychopaths, dumping their trauma onto and into women. Losers, get a life, paying for consent to rape. Totally disconnected from themselves, from some very wounded part of themselves, and from her when they were with her. Traumatised narcissistic men.
That's the basic take on punters.

She detests reviews and reviewers. She uses reviews as ultimate proof that this is sex without humanity.
She shows the reviews, good and bad when she goes into schools to talk to the students.

She says she realises now she doesn't have to give talks about her experience anymore and that is a huge relief, and that she won't, which seems dissonant with the sense you get of how much she enjoys speaking of it and has made a business of a sort talking about it.

I think it is worth a listen, by clients at least. If only that it might make a few of us slightly better clients or better people in every day interactions.
Like Palatine getting huffy with the Tesco worker.

Lots of people don't like their jobs. And lots of jobs take a toll on people, physical and mental
We don't try to rescue farmers or brick layers or mechanics or warehouse pickers or ballet dancers.

But I think it's sometimes useful to take a step away from the echo chamber that is the forum and occasionally ponder



I would like to read the anonymous blog she wrote around 2012.
If anyone has a link or a way to read it I would appreciate a PM.