Independent escorts, agencies and ‘protectors’

[InsidiousCid]

Two apparently conflicting views of how things work from two independent and experienced sex workers, Amy and Michelle.

you are not going to hear the truth from most escorts on here and that is fact as they want to protect their business unless they are retiring.

Unfortunate truth. It's important to bear in mind that for a provider, posting here = marketing.

No escort wants her business impacted.

I've found even mentioning things in the warning section as an example, has some providers attacking me in other threads, because they feel outlining the cold/hard reality of things could impact their business.

This is unfortunate of course as, it's basically prioritizing profits ahead of safety and integrity of practice.

It's just important to bear in mind that providers are going to create a narrative which casts themselves in the best possible light, portrays the practice in the best possible light, conceals some less savory truths, and ultimately stimulates their business.

Which I'm sure is perfectly fine....... but up to a point.

[MiaX]

I wouldn't call a receptionist a pimp, they provide a service for which they are paid for. However, while I am sure, that there are good receptionists too, I heard many negative stories. Since they work on a commission, they will not filter the clients, they will send to the girl as many as possible, so they can make good money. And this is very dangerous for a girl's safety. Or they will promise services the girl doesn't actually provide. And there comes the disappointment that the agreed service was not provided plus the girl speaks no english, difficult or impossible to discuss anything. But as a client, you won't know this until you are there.
I don't know much about agencies in Ireland, I only heard about one bad one.
Now regarding girls with real pimps, maybe some signs such as cheap prices with any and every favourites available, no professional pictures, opt out reviews. Or maybe the girl's behaviour, attitude.

[SexyKitty1]

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I’m not sure if you re a garda worker for trafficking human or you just expose your thoughts in here. What you mean 85% are Romanian collected by cars on small prices who come to Ireland because the money are not good in England. Whaaaat? All the girls you visit was trafficked? And you didn t raported them to save them from pimps hands ? I’m terrified in what I read. I presume you told some girls that you re a landlord and they ask if you can just rent out, nothing more.

We all work for a good life and to provide for our family or kids, if I decide to put up 50 or 300euro for half an hour means I’m trafficked? Happens, yes , all over the word , but I think that girls have no documents , are kept with force and they will try to save themselves, not spending on brands clothes , going in holidays and travel in what country they want for work to offer themselves a better life.
Think you exaggerate with 85 percent romanian .

[dave101]

I wouldn't call a receptionist a pimp, they provide a service for which they are paid for. However, while I am sure, that there are good receptionists too, I heard many negative stories. Since they work on a commission, they will not filter the clients, they will send to the girl as many as possible, so they can make good money. And this is very dangerous for a girl's safety. Or they will promise services the girl doesn't actually provide. And there comes the disappointment that the agreed service was not provided plus the girl speaks no english, difficult or impossible to discuss anything. But as a client, you won't know this until you are there.
I don't know much about agencies in Ireland, I only heard about one bad one.
Now regarding girls with real pimps, maybe some signs such as cheap prices with any and every favourites available, no professional pictures, opt out reviews. Or maybe the girl's behaviour, attitude.

This is literally the definition of brothel keeping which is against the law and one of the first charges pressed in trafficking operations.

Read it back - receptionist, taking bookings for a fee/commission, etc most likely for someone who has no English. We've seen such people arrested many times and they often claim they are helping with translations, for a fee - they all see jail regardless as this is brothel keeping.

[MiaX]

Irish law does consider them one, you are right about that. What I consider a pimp is a person, who forces women to do sexwork for them, takes all their money, their documents etc, that is what I meant.

[Moocher]

This is literally the definition of brothel keeping which is against the law and one of the first charges pressed in trafficking operations.

Read it back - receptionist, taking bookings for a fee/commission, etc most likely for someone who has no English. We've seen such people arrested many times and they often claim they are helping with translations, for a fee - they all see jail regardless as this is brothel keeping.

Forgetting about pure legalise, surely the term trafficking should include elements of ' against will ,control and fear '.

I presume a landlord who knowingly offers accommodation at a rent acceptable to a fully independent , fully consenting escort is still likely to be guilty of some criminal offence involving taking advantage of/ profiting from prostitution etc in line with brothel keeping/pimping.

[Moocher]

Irish law does consider them one, you are right about that. What I consider a pimp is a person, who forces women to do sexwork for them, takes all their money, their documents etc, that is what I meant.

You sort of beat me to it Mia !

[dave101]

Forgetting about pure legalise, surely the term trafficking should include elements of ' against will ,control and fear '.

I presume a landlord who knowingly offers accommodation at a rent acceptable to a fully independent , fully consenting escort is still likely to be guilty of some criminal offence involving taking advantage of/ profiting from prostitution etc in line with brothel keeping/pimping.

In the cases in the media there was a combo of control in some people interviewed in safeguarding visits while others clearly said they weren't coerced.

Depends on the nature of the 'agency', but lets face it, this is pimping no mater how we cut it.

[MiaX]

Forgetting about pure legalise, surely the term trafficking should include elements of ' against will ,control and fear '.

I presume a landlord who knowingly offers accommodation at a rent acceptable to a fully independent , fully consenting escort is still likely to be guilty of some criminal offence involving taking advantage of/ profiting from prostitution etc in line with brothel keeping/pimping.

It is exactly like that, the law considers everyone involved in line of brothel keeping, which makes the lives of the truly independent ladies more difficult. The law could still go after traffickers, if they legalized sex work and the lawmakers were able to differentiate between human trafficking and service providers, in this including renting apartments, in fair conditions for fair prices. It would also decrease criminal acts against sexworkers.

[Moocher]

In the cases in the media there was a combo of control in some people interviewed in safeguarding visits while others clearly said they weren't coerced.

Depends on the nature of the 'agency', but lets face it, this is pimping no mater how we cut it.

Yes in the eyes of the law, where also apparently paying for sexual services like kissing and hugging makes you a criminal too.