Independent escorts, agencies and ‘protectors’

[dave101]

Yes in the eyes of the law, where also apparently paying for sexual services like kissing and hugging makes you a criminal too.

In the law it's an offence to even text or phone a sex worker, never mind physical contact.

[Moocher]

In the law it's an offence to even text or phone a sex worker, never mind physical contact.

What about offering one of them your seat on the bus ? Best just to sit tight I think.

[Moocher]

Profile wording limited to " Hi, I'm new in town" doesn't give cause for comfort.

Will a truly independent escort always clearly state on their profile that the escort is independent and if not, why not ?

[Boobsandbumlover]

In the law it's an offence to even text or phone a sex worker, never mind physical contact.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...alties%20apply.

This is the ‘law’ …interestingly as I see it…if you take this to a human rights court you’re very likely to win your case. Based on a number of aspects.

1. Consensual sex between two adults could and should never be a crime whether money is exchanged or not.

2. No one can ever prove that a ‘buyer’ of sex actually paid for the sex unless there’s a third party present to witness the transaction. Money found on the premises is not evidence that this money was exchanged for sex, just that it is there.

3. The whole premise for questioning anyone entering or leaving a certain property is against that person’s basic human rights and only serves to intimidate that person to answer questions they have no obligation to do.

And I’m sure a good lawyer could come up with pages and pages of arguments that this is a violation of people’s basic human rights.

The above should of course not be taken as a condonation of the criminality in sexwork that is clearly present. The problem is however that the ‘punter’ also maybe the victim of those crimes just as the sexworker is. The crime should not be sexwork. Many young women and men are also used as cheap labour where people are trafficked to work as cleaners, maids, etc where passports are being held back and other criminality such as rape takes place. In those cases the victim of those practices do not commit a crime by working for someone. Cleaning is not a crime, serving someone is not a crime as much as having consensual sex, paid or not is not a crime. It’s the peripheral activities by third parties that are often criminal.
That’s why for example in the Netherlands prostitution or sexwork is de criminalised.

[dave101]

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...alties%20apply.

This is the ‘law’ …interestingly as I see it…if you take this to a human rights court you’re very likely to win your case. Based on a number of aspects.

1. Consensual sex between two adults could and should never be a crime whether money is exchanged or not.

2. No one can ever prove that a ‘buyer’ of sex actually paid for the sex unless there’s a third party present to witness the transaction. Money found on the premises is not evidence that this money was exchanged for sex, just that it is there.

3. The whole premise for questioning anyone entering or leaving a certain property is against that person’s basic human rights and only serves to intimidate that person to answer questions they have no obligation to do.

And I’m sure a good lawyer could come up with pages and pages of arguments that this is a violation of people’s basic human rights.

The above should of course not be taken as a condonation of the criminality in sexwork that is clearly present. The problem is however that the ‘punter’ also maybe the victim of those crimes just as the sexworker is. The crime should not be sexwork. Many young women and men are also used as cheap labour where people are trafficked to work as cleaners, maids, etc where passports are being held back and other criminality such as rape takes place. In those cases the victim of those practices do not commit a crime by working for someone. Cleaning is not a crime, serving someone is not a crime as much as having consensual sex, paid or not is not a crime. It’s the peripheral activities by third parties that are often criminal.
That’s why for example in the Netherlands prostitution or sexwork is de criminalised.

Soliciting sex or 'attempting' to purchase sex is a crime. So being found there (irrespective of money changing hands) is enough for conviction with phone records showing the rest needed to prove why you were there at that specific address.

The only thing a hotshot solicitor is doing here is getting charges watered down to caution or something else. A caution for this offence in NI still gets you placed on sex offenders register, rendering you unemployable.

[WeeJimmy]

I’m not sure if you re a garda worker for trafficking human or you just expose your thoughts in here. What you mean 85% are Romanian collected by cars on small prices who come to Ireland because the money are not good in England. Whaaaat? All the girls you visit was trafficked? And you didn t raported them to save them from pimps hands ? I’m terrified in what I read. I presume you told some girls that you re a landlord and they ask if you can just rent out, nothing more.

We all work for a good life and to provide for our family or kids, if I decide to put up 50 or 300euro for half an hour means I’m trafficked? Happens, yes , all over the word , but I think that girls have no documents , are kept with force and they will try to save themselves, not spending on brands clothes , going in holidays and travel in what country they want for work to offer themselves a better life.
Think you exaggerate with 85 percent romanian .

yes the ladies do it for the better life, kids etc and best of luck to them
but I dont exaggerate at all, for instance yourself is Romanian, no big deal, did you know my favourite lady in Ireland was a Romanian named Maya, sweet sweet lady, I am English, yes the majority of escorts in Ireland are Romanian and have seen loads of these great ladies and same in the UK, They will say on here they are Spanish, Italian , cech, Croatian for their own personal reasons and thats fine but are mostly Romanian, that is fact, yes i say they are collected by cars and some use public transport but that doesn't mean they are trafficked, here in England we have lots of agencies which are legal and you walk in and speak to the boss, they provide them with vehicles which collect them if an outcall is required but that doesn't mean they are trafficked either, If i suspect a girl is trafficked i just leave and have done and you mention price of 50 or 300, if you read my previous posts you will see i said many times that just because they charge 50 does not mean they are trafficked, i also mentioned here lots of times girls like Maya who started of at 50 euro and others who charged that when they first started to get the customers and good reviews going and then gradually increased as they became better and more popular and boy was she popular.
That lady Maya worked her ass off in Ireland and now back home and her dream house and is happy, that what important

[Palatine]

Soliciting sex or 'attempting' to purchase sex is a crime. So being found there (irrespective of money changing hands) is enough for conviction with phone records showing the rest needed to prove why you were there at that specific address.

The only thing a hotshot solicitor is doing here is getting charges watered down to caution or something else.

I don't know about NI, but this is not true for ROI. Being on a premises is not in itself likely to see you charged, nevermind convicted of a crime. We still have the concept in this country of innocent until guilty and a criminal conviction requires a "beyond reasonable doubt" level of evidence. So, your chances of being charged in the first place depend on the overall weight of evidence available to the gardaí and provided to.the DPP. A typical.guard would hope to get evidence such as:

- Presence at location
- Financal records (did you wishdrawal from an ATM just beforehand and have nothing now)
- Text messages that can be attributed to you showing you offered to pay.for sex
- Witness testimony either from you, her, or anyone else involved in the transaction
- Evidence that sexual activity occurred or was planned
- EI advert records including favourites and other words in the ad likely to mean that sexual services were offered.

I'm here long enough to know that people will argue the toss about this without having a clue, or because they have their own agenda to put the frighteners on people. I'm not planning to argue this out. I'm only planning on saying I have reasonable experience and knowledge of this area and punters who are caught on premises should not presume they are now as good as convicted and should just splurge information in the hope of garda or court leniency.

You keep your mouth politely shut, except to confirm your name, address and desire to consult with a solicitor before answering any questions under caution. And then you let the gardaí do their job to try and accumulate enough evidence to charge you and get a potential conviction. That's it.

There isn't a single.prosecution, nevermind conviction in this.country that was secured on the weight of just being on a premises known to be used for the purposes of prostitution. Not one.

[Palatine]

Regarding "receptionists", a lot of this is becoming moot. Not too long ago, the suggestion on this forum that escorts should have whatsapp or telegram as a contact option was not a popular one here particularly.among the girls. Now, I'd say 40% use one or both and adverts even suggest that whatsapp is the preferred initial contact method. The trend is only going one direction. Good or bad - not sure. It makes detecting a receptionist very hard, but makes communication much easier for those who struggle with Irish accents, slang, traffic noise etc.

[WeeJimmy]

Laws like these make things worst than better and that what the government's want, Irish government takes their orders from Europe and these laws are an straight up attack on the Escorts, they make out they're going after clients but main goal is to stamp out all prostitution as they call it, look how they were treated during covid, absolute disgrace to treat them that way while the fukers partied and doled out billions to other groups
on Monday an escort friend of mine in Manchester was slapped by a foreign guy who wanted sex but no payment, few hours later her windows put in, police called and no sign of them yet, dont wanna know, if it was some big shot theyd be there in a shot

[dave101]

I don't know about NI, but this is not true for ROI. Being on a premises is not in itself likely to see you charged, nevermind convicted of a crime. We still have the concept in this country of innocent until guilty and a criminal conviction requires a "beyond reasonable doubt" level of evidence. So, your chances of being charged in the first place depend on the overall weight of evidence available to the gardaí and provided to.the DPP. A typical.guard would hope to get evidence such as:

- Presence at location
- Financal records (did you wishdrawal from an ATM just beforehand and have nothing now)
- Text messages that can be attributed to you showing you offered to pay.for sex
- Witness testimony either from you, her, or anyone else involved in the transaction
- Evidence that sexual activity occurred or was planned
- EI advert records including favourites and other words in the ad likely to mean that sexual services were offered.

I'm here long enough to know that people will argue the toss about this without having a clue, or because they have their own agenda to put the frighteners on people. I'm not planning to argue this out. I'm only planning on saying I have reasonable experience and knowledge of this area and punters who are caught on premises should not presume they are now as good as convicted and should just splurge information in the hope of garda or court leniency.

You keep your mouth politely shut, except to confirm your name, address and desire to consult with a solicitor before answering any questions under caution. And then you let the gardaí do their job to try and accumulate enough evidence to charge you and get a potential conviction. That's it.

There isn't a single.prosecution, nevermind conviction in this.country that was secured on the weight of just being on a premises known to be used for the purposes of prostitution. Not one.

One look at your phone or other devices after leaving a premises and its game set and match. From that your browsing history, plus calls made/texts sent and received and your locale at the time. There's no reasonable doubt issue here. It's clear in this instance you found EI, made contact and went for sex, not to discuss philosophy.

With such overwhelming evidence, the cops may then offer a settlement in the station between you and your solicitor to keep it out of courts to save wasting the time, especially if this is your first offence. But maybe not, we often see people in court and in the papers for minor speeding offences. So, why wouldn't a cop keen to make an example of someone go all the way.

There have been multiple charges of the purchase of sex in NI - all out all disposed of out of court with cautions and community notice orders - both very serious offences in their own way.

Possibly the best way to avoid a lot of this is using a burner phone plus obviously not getting stopped at a location, or alternatively, don't do it at all in NI or Eire.