Disappointed in You Guys

[nicegirlsarenice]

We all agree that it would be better for girls to operate in a safer environment.

A quicker way to change the law for 2 girls is to actually challenge a case being prosecuted. As I've previously stated I can find no legal case involving independant girls, where guilt was not admitted, that resulted in a prosecution. Would EI be prepared to fund the legal costs of such a challenge?

[ber]

We all agree that it would be better for girls to operate in a safer environment.

A quicker way to change the law for 2 girls is to actually challenge a case being prosecuted. As I've previously stated I can find no legal case involving independant girls, where guilt was not admitted, that resulted in a prosecution. Would EI be prepared to fund the legal costs of such a challenge?

Mr fussy is a 100% correct in what he says, this is why the gardai try to coerce the girls into
admitting guilt and giving a statement as they know that without this they have no case. It
works alot for them as most of the girls are ignorant as to what the law actually is and under
pressure from the gardai admit guilt under the opinion that if they dont they will face a much
severer sanction.Also the gardai confiscate phones and computers etc which are often not
returned, but legally have to be if no case is proven. My advise to girls is have the number
of a solicitor,there are many escort friendly solicitors and if u tell the Gardai that u are making
no statement but are contacting ure solicitor u deff will see their attitude changing.
This applies of course to EU citizens and people who have legal status here if the girl is here
on a holiday visa or to study this throws a different set of problems as regardless of her job
she shouldnt be working here anyway so gardai will play the visa card

[MrFussy]

Mr fussy is a 100% correct in what he says, this is why the gardai try to coerce the girls into
admitting guilt and giving a statement as they know that without this they have no case. It
works alot for them as most of the girls are ignorant as to what the law actually is and under
pressure from the gardai admit guilt under the opinion that if they dont they will face a much
severer sanction.Also the gardai confiscate phones and computers etc which are often not
returned, but legally have to be if no case is proven. My advise to girls is have the number
of a solicitor,there are many escort friendly solicitors and if u tell the Gardai that u are making
no statement but are contacting ure solicitor u deff will see their attitude changing.
This applies of course to EU citizens and people who have legal status here if the girl is here
on a holiday visa or to study this throws a different set of problems as regardless of her job
she shouldnt be working here anyway so gardai will play the visa card

If EI provided such a service i.e. 24/7 solicitors' number for girls, and paid for any legal challenge, this issue you would find would come to a head very quickly as it is extremely difficult to prosecute such a case if a proper defense is offered...

[carlos marvado]

We all agree that it would be better for girls to operate in a safer environment.

A quicker way to change the law for 2 girls is to actually challenge a case being prosecuted. As I've previously stated I can find no legal case involving independant girls, where guilt was not admitted, that resulted in a prosecution. Would EI be prepared to fund the legal costs of such a challenge?

I suspect that there are some very simple reasons why escorts would plead guilty.

1. If English is not their first language and they are not aware of the relevant laws here, they are automatically at a disadvantage.

2. While escorts might like as much publicity as possible on this and similar sites, they d'ont want media publicity for their real identity and what they earn their living at under their assumed identity.

3. Escorts who are charged and brought to court will in most cases have legal representation appointed for them and will more then likely be advised to plead guilty, accept the fine that will be imposed and the possible three month suspended sentence and then they are free to get on with their lives again. The legal council appointed to represent an escort will get paid their money either way......a guilty plea means less work for them.

4. It seems obvious that the law is being abused to try to rid certain parts of Ireland of escorts. When you see cases of escorts (working alone) being charged with breaking laws that they have not broken, no fixed fine or fine schedule (basically the judge enquires how much money was found on the premises and decides how much to let the escorts keep to get them back home) and then have members of the judiciary ordering escorts to leave a particular town (a la you have 48 hours to leave town) after having already paid their court fine and set free, you know that things are not right. For example, I have yet to see any mention in the media when such cases are reported, where there is any reference to a translator having been used.

I think, that in these circumstances, it is a bit much to expect a foreign escort, possibly with limited English, to challenge what she is being charged with. In the case of Irish escorts, they probably would not welcome the additional publicity in their own country either.

[MrFussy]

wouldn't this mean that e-i or someone would have to take a constitutional case? These cost a hell of a lot if lost.

Westside.

I'm not saying mount a direct challenge to the legislation as such. Defend a case taken against girls, it is so hard to prove that I'd bet the case is dropped or thrown out...leading the way so that other such cases could not be enforced...

[MrFussy]

I suspect that there are some very simple reasons why escorts would plead guilty.

1. If English is not their first language and they are not aware of the relevant laws here, they are automatically at a disadvantage.

2. While escorts might like as much publicity as possible on this and similar sites, they d'ont what media publicity for their real identity and what they earn their living at under their assumed identity.

3. Escorts who are charged and brought to court will in most cases have legal representation appointed for them and will more then likely be advised to plead guilty, accept the fine that will be imposed and the possible three month suspended sentence and then they are free to get on with their lives again. The legal council appointed to represent an escort will get paid their money either way......a guilty plea means less work for them.

4. It seems obvious that the law is being abused to try to rid certain parts of Ireland of escorts. When you see cases of escorts (working alone) being charged with breaking laws that they have not broken, no fixed fine or fine schedule (basically the judge enquires how much money was found on the premises and decides how much to let the escorts keep to get them back home) and then have members of the judiciary ordering escorts to leave a particular town (a la you have 48 hours to leave town) after having already paid their court fine and set free, you know that things are not right. For example, I have yet to see any mention in the media when such cases are reported, where there is any reference to a translator having been used.

I think, that in these circumstances, it is a bit much to expect a foreign escort, possibly with limited English, to challenge what she is being charged with. In the case of Irish escorts, they probably would not welcome the additional publicity in their own country either.

Carlos I'm not disagreeing with you about the difficulties, what I am saying is that this is a service i.e. legal representative, translation etc. that EI could provide to escorts....

[Patricia]

We all agree that it would be better for girls to operate in a safer environment.

A quicker way to change the law for 2 girls is to actually challenge a case being prosecuted. As I've previously stated I can find no legal case involving independant girls, where guilt was not admitted, that resulted in a prosecution. Would EI be prepared to fund the legal costs of such a challenge?

I'm not opposed to something like this on the face of it, but I think it is a lot more complex than meets the eye. One obvious problem is who wants to be the poster girl for this campaign? I think you'll find most escorts in a little legal bother want to get out of it as quickly and discreetly as possible, no way do they want E-I coming along and crusading their individual case.

[MrFussy]

I'm not opposed to something like this on the face of it, but I think it is a lot more complex than meets the eye. One obvious problem is who wants to be the poster girl for this campaign? I think you'll find most escorts in a little legal bother want to get out of it as quickly and discreetly as possible, no way do they want E-I coming along and crusading their individual case.

No poster girl required, offer the facility as part of the advertising package. Advertise a number that can be called on the website...there are hundreds of solicitors in Dublin that offer a 24/7 facility and in this day and age would be more than happy with the business...
Support a case legally, not a crusade, solicitor does not even have to mention it is EI paying...Jesus, I'll contribute towards any costs if EI will match my donation....what I'm saying is that this route will have a quicker effect...........

[MrFussy]

With the recent publicity around witnesses gaining protection from the media, if such a case was to go to court, a defendant could seek anonimity due to the nature of the charge, for the duration of the case....

[FRANK1970]

Hi,

I find myself quite disappointed in the users of this website this weekend. Not everyone of course, I know there are lots of decent people here, but generally disappointed.

It is always the way that we work really hard to try to make this website the best and a lot of people don't recognise that at all and are totally critical. I mean issues like reviews, it is generally all complaints and no recognition of all the hard work we are constantly putting in, but hey that's always the way around here and it has it's upsides, all the complainers do drive us to be constantly working to improve things, so it has it's advantages, and you guys are the customer and we are the service provider, so I think this is fair enough all in all.

But, firstly the PETITION...

It wasn't actually my idea, it was another girl in here's idea, but I supported it and said yes, lets do a petition, lets try to get the government to see that this prosecuting of independent escorts with our brothel laws that is going on now is really not right and it is putting escorts in danger.

Here at E-I, all of us, from the advertising staff on the phone to the people in IT, to me, hear about attacks on escorts all too often, we are very aware of the dangers and all too concerningly that, due to the current legal situation, many escorts now don't even feel able to report attacks, so the people committing these crimes are largely getting away with it and continuing on to keep doing it. It's a serious issue. I am upset to see what is going on here, all of the staff at E-I are.

I certainly thought this petition was worth a try. I didn't expect widespread support from the general public, it's always hard to get support from the public about prostitution issues. I didn't expect that many signatures from escorts, because as you all know, not that many escorts are active on these message boards, it is far more clients that come on here than ladies, due to many issues, not least that English isn't most escorts' first language. I didn't expect that much support from journalists because you can never count on support there. But I expected some support from you guys.

Whenever the press ask us for comments about clients, I am always defending clients, explaining that you guys are decent people, not abusers of women or whatever Ruhama etc might like to imply, but proper ordinary good guys by in large, men who care about escorts as well as enjoy escort services and will actually be the first people to help escorts if they need it, the last people that would want this industry in a bad state where women are being mistreated etc.

I've just looked at the petition. Basically 60 journalists that would have been sent cards signed, 10 escorts signed and 10 clients signed. That's how it looks. Yet I know from our traffic statistics that at least 10,000 clients have already seen this petition. So what it is? Do clients all disagree, is that it? Do clients not want escorts to be able to work in pairs for safety? Do clients think it is fair enough that police resources that could be directed at pimps and traffickers are now being directed at independent escorts? Are clients unconcerned that the current situation is that many escorts that are attacked feel unable to go to the authorities? Or it is that clients couldn't be bothered to sign as there is nothing in it for them? I'm afraid I'm thinking the latter might be the closest to the truth in most cases and I am disappointed.

*Removed by patricia. Until further notice no mention is to be made here of this issue.*

Well, that's this off my chest! Thank you to the 10 clients who did sign the petition and those of you that don't dedicate your time here to stirring up any shit whenever you possibly can without any regard for the consequences of your actions.

Myself I'm going to keep doing what I've always tried to do here and run a good website that is fair to clients and escorts and well-run, responsibly run, tries to play a positive role in this industry. If you have nothing better to do here that stir shit, expect to be banned soon.

Pat x

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I have sex with numerous escorts that love and adore me. They call me when they don't have anything to do, NOT BECOUSE WHO I AM IN IRELAND NO NO NO . and they love the way I show my affection (large tipper with a large penis). These wonderful women understand that some men do not want a girl friend, like variety, and love paying for sex. I have all of these propensities and I am proud to be one of the few people in this world that call it as it is.

The world is filled with terrible things. Prostitution is not the worst.

At the end of the day most women who sell their body could be doing something else. Sure, there are some bad cases, but most of these women want a larger paycheck then they would settle for with a minimum wage job (minimum wage will not feed more than one mouth).

What about the hunger problem in this world? I bet even if those who were in serious need for food wanted to have sex for nourishment they couldn't. What about the violence, genocide, and peddled death?

If a women makes herself available to me for money I do not feel bad. She has made a choice to do something for money and I have made a choice to get a blow job with a condom on.

All due respect, but the self loathing tone is not pleasant. You should be honored that you were able to have so many different life experiences. Maybe you will take your mistakes and not let your daughter repeat them. Maybe you will reach out of your family circle and touch a miscellaneous life. I donate nearly every week to charity. Do you?

Yes, in a perfect world there would be no prostitution. In a perfect world there would be no hunger, pain, suffering, and violence. Today we do not live in a perfect world and that is where the beauty lies. Life's imperfections make us perfect as god meant for us to be flawed. Those mistakes create our quest for self improvement and promote an understanding of our need to care for one