2017 Act review is three years late and counting...

[Larrii]

We all know that the legal profession aren't great at diaries and calendars. But the review has been held up because a lawyer is busy with other stuff. This affects thousands of providers, and many more clients who are probably voters as well.


https://www.thejournal.ie/review-int...85555-Feb2024/

THERE IS STILL no sign of a review into Ireland’s sex work legislation more than three years after it was first due to be published.The Department of Justice has “considered the best options to conclude the review in a timely and thorough” manner, a spokesperson told The Journal.It’s expected that Justice Minister Helen McEntee “will be in a position to decide on the next steps in the near future so that the review can be completed without any further undue delay”, they added.However, no exact timeline was given.The Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act was contentious when it came into effect in 2017.The Sex Workers Alliance of Ireland (SWAI) was among those critical of the fact the legislation criminalised the purchase of sex. The alliance has long called for the decriminalisation of sex work.The Government promised to carry out a review of the 2017 Act within three years.
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In July 2023, Justice Minister Helen McEntee told the Dáil her department and Butler had “mutually agreed” that it wasn’t possible for her to finish the review due to her workload in other areas.
At the time McEntee said that Butler had been “very helpful… in making available to my department the documentation and the research” done to date.The minister said her department would “advertise shortly to commission a new person to complete the review”, noting that “a huge body of work” had been completed at that point.
“It is just the writing up of a report,” she added.

[The Libertarian]

I cannot see anything other then the views of sex workers being ignored and a doubling down of this oppressive law for both punters and sex workers!

Does anybody think MacEntee will relax this law.

Not a chance!

[WeeJimmy]

I cannot see anything other then the views of sex workers being ignored and a doubling down of this oppressive law for both punters and sex workers!

Does anybody think MacEntee will relax this law.

Not a chance!

sure the government hates all its own people and why would they care about the rights of escorts, McEntee is just awful minister, they think escorts' are nobodies and its just so wrong, people of Ireland must vote a party in for the people and whos not owned by the EU, sadly there is not one

[ladiesman217]

sure the government hates all its own people and why would they care about the rights of escorts, McEntee is just awful minister, they think escorts' are nobodies and its just so wrong, people of Ireland must vote a party in for the people and whos not owned by the EU, sadly there is not one

Sadly, there isn't a word of that that isn't true.....

[JennyIrish]

This is the Act which criminalises CLIENTS for the purchase of sex.

After any piece of new legislation is passed in this country there is usually a review of the legislation around two years later to see how it is working, how prosecutions have been going in court, basically to iron out any kinks in the wording of the Act.

The article is poorly worded and would lead you to believe that it is a review of sex work legislation, but no they are simply talking about that new act that criminalise clients.

What I will be interested to see in this is has there ever been successfully convicted case where the client did NOT ADMIT to paying for sex??? Because from any of the cases I have read about, obviously the Gardaí were not present when the cash exchange took place, in every case the client admits to the Garda after the clients has been apprehended coming from a known working apartment.

If the clients just denies denies denies, how can it even be brought to court? And no in this instance they do not have a right to check your phone at the scene or anything like that, literally the only evidence a garda can have here is where the client admits to paying for sex???

It will be interesting to see the findings of this review.

[dave101]

They don't need a clients phone. If they seize the sex workers phone in a raid (which they did in Nov 2022 in a huge raid operations by Garda and PSNI across the island) then the client can be placed at the scene.

If you read the legislation closely, soliciting or even attempting to pay for sex is a crime - no one need witness cash being handed over. They don't even need to stop a punter leaving an apartment or a hotel. Once a list of favourites has been sent/reveived with prices, its game over.


You don't need to admit anything. They can get all the info they need from the sex providers phone.

[Stephanie]

They don't need a clients phone. If they seize the sex workers phone in a raid (which they did in Nov 2022 in a huge raid operations by Garda and PSNI across the island) then the client can be placed at the scene.

If you read the legislation closely, soliciting or even attempting to pay for sex is a crime - no one need witness cash being handed over. They don't even need to stop a punter leaving an apartment or a hotel.

Once a list of favourites has been sent/received with prices, its game over.

You don't need to admit anything. They can get all the info they need from the sex providers phone.

ANOTHER reason to not discuss intimate details over the phone / text / etc.

Need I mention ‘Menu’ being sent out ?

We first saw this over a year ago - we all on the Forum were aghast .

: If you want an appointment : send time , duration , and what you want .

A shopping list with sex acts and corresponding prices then sent out .

Bloke picks from list : get a ‘Quote’ back .

A screenshot of that ‘Menu’ was posted on that thread .



Where is the Discretion ?

Where is taking care of our guys - even if They be too eager or dim and not know ?

[Stephanie]

Anyone remember why Shatner ( spell ? ) left ? ( Shatter ? )

That’s ten years back - more x



Then we had Fitzgerald ??

[Palatine]

Anyone remember why Shatner ( spell ? ) left ? ( Shatter ? )

That’s ten years back - more x



Then we had Fitzgerald ??

He cozied up to a Garda Commissioner who thought whistleblowers were disgusting.

[Stephanie]

He cozied up to a Garda Commissioner who thought whistleblowers were disgusting.

That’s a shame .

I think if kept his position , the Law would not have passed in the form it did ?