Abuse - the Abuser - the Abused

[BarryD]

I think it’d be Best to start a New thread !! This matter IS important .

Agree and several others - some useful information on "Responsible Punting" thread, should try to keep clean/on topic. Can we have this other matter out here?
some of the posts below hopefully help with the topic

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I was involved in a similar event, threats to visit even though made clear they were v v not welcome , the threat alone is damaging , v damaging I have seen the harm first hand . I am not here much just now but if I see it starting , being copied will hammer it even if I get banned , Steph has been subject to this twice , so if either Ass hole is back they needs dealing with .Those were bad times

Actually, the best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them.

The best way to fight ignorance is with knowledge and facts. Sure, you are unlikely to change the understanding of those unwilling to accept the folly of their ways, but others may still be open to learning the truth.

You are missing the point, actual threats were made , not theory , actual threats , maybe show respect to those on the receiving end , it was not a debating society game

So the abused becoming the abuser is suitable then?
So long as the person themselves was a victim they should be able to victimize others.
Because there is a past trauma (that apparently, like 5 people know about) everyone else is supposed to walk on eggshells around here and not question poor behavior?

not a v good argument
Lets break it down. First are your details available here ? you see advertisers have a phone number , from there they can be found . Are you at same risk as advertisers accordingly, answer emphatic no

You equate what you are dealing with on a par with a man arriving to your room and then saying hi I am that guy you hate , you equate threats of violence to what you are dealing with here , really not even on same planet

Next you suggest trauma is related to how many know about it , do I need to dismantle that one !!!!

You feel hard done by , let me tell you its kid gloves stuff you are getting

A few here believe you are IDF , I do not know what the situation is but this post is not a great sign of you , suggesting your trauma is same as Steph = joke
If you want to make your way accept your under microscope , and deal with it not with ridiculous posts but by being able to understand others difficulties and be man enough to absorb it

I have seen damage done to another advertiser so its a hot button for me

If you are IDF it will emerge , I used to get on with him , then he went rouge . Some maybe be hyper vigilant, but with v good reason , just remember no one has your details, no one is coming to your home with mal intention to harass or harm you . Others have to real world manage that v dynamic, some empathy might go a long way

You Do understand , here you are interacting with the same person

who had harassed you on the forum a handful of years ago to the point

that you Archived your account at the time ?

Will I pull up the thread ??

Or would you rather PM .

Or neither .

Why the hell would you even want to expose someone to a past trauma intentionally. What purpose could that serve? Causing mental distress to an other just to prove your imaginary point. That is the height of classlessness. I'd say let it go, but clearly that didn't work.

Gosh Liam, you seem to be surviving that horrendous abuse , so brave
Avoiding answering me now several times , not a plan , stand over your posts or else fcuk off .

So, is that to say you do feel there is abuse directed towards me?
And that it is okay for the abuser to continue because they have been abused?
And that any person being abused should just sit there and take it because the abuser was once abused themself?

As far as avoiding... I'll have to go look at the other threads and see what I missed.

do not equate kid glove stuff you are experiencing with actual threats of violence , as for not noticing my posts, you on here non stop , BS that be , go back on responsibility punting thread and apologies to Steph for that post

[IrishSarahBarra]

Is this the is iamliam idf or not thread?

[IrishSarahBarra]

Now, the story in my head goes...

Dieve's new and full of the joys. Meets some clients, makes some friend, and to some of her people goes - hey, there's this forum, yada yada yada.

Then a couple of her people make accounts.

Those client friends then go back to Dieve and say - hey, your people are twats.

The end.
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Cringe.

That's a bit embarrassing, isn't it?

Granted, I'm easily embarrassed (there's nothing worse that when you recommend someone for something and then they make an eejit out of you. This feels like something like that).

So, I don't get it - Do you want Dieve to post or not, girls posting or not? Cause if you do, then don't make a fool out of them.

You guys would want some fairly solid proof that iamliam is idf or should really back off.

Right now, what yer saying Is that idf has befriended Dieve and has done some fecking reverse psychology on her, started posting here and has been posting since while keeping up this ruse with her that he's not idf. Sounds pretty unrealistic.

(While also sometimes disguising himself as Pat-whatever-his-name-is when he visits Dieve, does some more reverse psychology on her, opens a second account, and then has his two accounts talk to one another on here? Who came up with and signed off on this theory??)

Disclaimer: I don't know the story but that's what I imagine from what I see.

[charlie82]

Now, the story in my head goes...



Granted, I'm easily embarrassed (there's nothing worse that when you recommend someone for something and then they make an eejit out of you. This feels like something like that).

So, I don't get it - Do you want Dieve to post or not, girls posting or not? Cause if you do, then don't make a fool out of them.

You guys would want some fairly solid proof that iamliam is idf or should really back off.

Right now, what yer saying Is that idf has befriended Dieve and has done some fecking reverse psychology on her, started posting here and has been posting since while keeping up this ruse with her that he's not idf. Sounds pretty unrealistic.

(While also sometimes disguising himself as Pat-whatever-his-name-is when he visits Dieve, does some more reverse psychology on her, opens a second account, and then has his two accounts talk to one another on here? Who came up with and signed off on this theory??)

Disclaimer: I don't know the story but that's what I imagine from what I see.

That seems to be the story alright…

[IAmLIAm]

After getting cought up on the goings on yesterday there are many, many things going through my head. I fear very little of them would be constructive.

I don't feel a response to this is appropriate at the moment. I'm actually a bit loath to post anything at all here but feel this is kind of a "damned if you do damned if you don't" situation.

I do appreciate everyone who was seeking facts and context so that they could make their own, informed decisions. Accusations should always be accompanied with evidence to support the claim.

[beautyaddict]

After getting cought up on the goings on yesterday there are many, many things going through my head. I fear very little of them would be constructive.

I don't feel a response to this is appropriate at the moment. I'm actually a bit loath to post anything at all here but feel this is kind of a "damned if you do damned if you don't" situation.

I do appreciate everyone who was seeking facts and context so that they could make their own, informed decisions. Accusations should always be accompanied with evidence to support the claim.

For the record , I do not think your IDF , I knew him v well , we had many early morning exchanges . I was aware that several thought you were , I have a hot button on a specific issue , threats to advertisers . My debate with you was on you suggesting your stuff the same

This has all gone where I hoped it would not and I agree we let it go . When I saw certain posts I became concerned , now given past experiences I hope we do not see copycats .

[Palatine]

A few thoughts.

Where Stephanie's coming from is a place of trauma - not just forum bullshit but real-life stuff. Before anyone makes suggestions about how she should be handling it, then just have the self-awareness to know that unless you or a loved one were in that situation where an abuser can easily float in and out of your online and real-life presence then you really don't know how you would react. I'm certainly not gonna give her a lecture or advice.

Maybe it's me and how I start with people, but I don't think Dieve's coming from a malicious place either. She's seeing one or more of her clients taking flack and defending them.

It's obvious that one or the other has the wrong end of the stick, but ultimately it doesn't matter. IDF can float in here any time. He can be an abusive asshole to one person, and a gem to another.

Liam, I've no idea who you are. I thought IDF was a bore so I rarely read anything he wrote. Consequently I wouldn't be able to pick him out of an online style line-up. I'm not gonna speculate. I'd suggest just sucking it up for a while. If you're not IDF, then that will be obvious over time, and just be aware of where Stephanie's coming from. If you are IDF, then you should have no complaints either way. As someone who returned here and was also immediately set upon at the time as being a returning troll, I understand that it can be a pain in the ass, but it's nothing compared to what Stephanie had to endure, and obviously continues to have to.

I'm not going to give my opinion on anything. Stephanie - if you're getting abusive messages and texts from people, definitely make sure those are kept and registered with the guards. Hope you're well.

Dieve - all the best to you also. I like your contributions.

Take care - hope nobody is being blown away out there.

[TommyH123]

A few thoughts.

Where Stephanie's coming from is a place of trauma - not just forum bullshit but real-life stuff. Before anyone makes suggestions about how she should be handling it, then just have the self-awareness to know that unless you or a loved one were in that situation where an abuser can easily float in and out of your online and real-life presence then you really don't know how you would react. I'm certainly not gonna give her a lecture or advice.

Maybe it's me and how I start with people, but I don't think Dieve's coming from a malicious place either. She's seeing one or more of her clients taking flack and defending them.

It's obvious that one or the other has the wrong end of the stick, but ultimately it doesn't matter. IDF can float in here any time. He can be an abusive asshole to one person, and a gem to another.

Liam, I've no idea who you are. I thought IDF was a bore so I rarely read anything he wrote. Consequently I wouldn't be able to pick him out of an online style line-up. I'm not gonna speculate. I'd suggest just sucking it up for a while. If you're not IDF, then that will be obvious over time, and just be aware of where Stephanie's coming from. If you are IDF, then you should have no complaints either way. As someone who returned here and was also immediately set upon at the time as being a returning troll, I understand that it can be a pain in the ass, but it's nothing compared to what Stephanie had to endure, and obviously continues to have to.

I'm not going to give my opinion on anything. Stephanie - if you're getting abusive messages and texts from people, definitely make sure those are kept and registered with the guards. Hope you're well.

Dieve - all the best to you also. I like your contributions.

Take care - hope nobody is being blown away out there.

Last time IDF returned he came back as IDF2, either that was a serious lack of creativity or it was because he didn’t want to sneak back, Liam, whoever he is, was or will be hasn’t given us any hints as to his previous profiles and honestly I don’t think he is IDF🤷

[Stephanie]

Last time IDF returned he came back as IDF2, either that was a serious lack of creativity or it was because he didn’t want to sneak back, Liam, whoever he is, was or will be hasn’t given us any hints as to his previous profiles and honestly I don’t think he is IDF🤷

It was sanctioned by TheSavannah .

This new poster already had been petitioning on the boards for banned users to be able to return with

their old handles .


I let you guys at it .

[AngelsFan]

My two cents,
From what I've read, IamLiam is far more articulate, and has better grammar and spelling than IDF ever had.

I haven't seen him in posting be abusive to any escorts except an ongoing tiff with Stephanie which I think the constant allusion to him being IDF badgered him into retaliating.

I think all the tinfoil hat speculation of who's who in the Established members section is unhealthy and promotes paranoia.

Someone throws out a speculative theory and many others run with it as if it's gospel.

It has made the forum very toxic in my opinion.

Dieve says IamLiam is a good client. That vouchsafe should mean a lot. Isn't that the primary function of the website.

Any person texting abuse to an escort is despicable. But it could be anyone, and it's a big accusation to throw around.

Finally, well done to everyone on the Keyla thread, in particular the incredibly generous donations from escorts, and beautyaddict too.