Have you ever been approached by Gardai after visiting an apartment?

[TonyB]

Trafficked.

Apparently, the Gardai are only interested in visiting /investigating incalls where they suspect some element of trafficking ..... is this correct in anyone's experience/knowledge ?

Can someone please explain , in layman's language, what the Gardai will consider as being ' trafficked ' ? I presume that there must be some element of the lady being obliged/forced to escort under pressure from another person(s) ?

If they get a call from a neighbour or someone complaining they're very interested.
They're the guys you need worry about.

[TonyB]

This is important stuff Tony, and I really think you can help others here. Did you seek legal advice from a solicitor ? Did he tell you what would proofs that the Gardai require to have gathered up and put in place before they can give the green light to attempt a prosecution ?

For most attached guys in particular, there is no victory in successfully defeating a prosecution taken in Court unfortunately ( so smoke without a fire ........etc ).Damage is already done,

I'm not a lawyer but I would guess that there is a short checklist of things that the gardai must be able to tick ?

My legal advice has advised me that if you are found in or leaving a known / advertising escorts apartment then thats enough for a conviction unless you have a bloody good reason to be there.

Comments like they can't prove you paid are utter rubbish.

[Blue60]

My legal advice has advised me that if you are found in or leaving a known / advertising escorts apartment then thats enough for a conviction unless you have a bloody good reason to be there.

Comments like they can't prove you paid are utter rubbish.

Ok thanks ..... that's not good news ! Presumably, there must already have been successful prosecutions along those lines so.

[The Libertarian]

My legal advice has advised me that if you are found in or leaving a known / advertising escorts apartment then thats enough for a conviction unless you have a bloody good reason to be there.

Comments like they can't prove you paid are utter rubbish.

I wouldn't doubt that you were told this.

But how can they legally prove anything just on the basis of that!

They can't.

Well certainly not on the basis of leaving an apartment!

[MidlifeCrisis]

I wouldn't doubt that you were told this.

But how can they legally prove anything just on the basis of that!

They can't.

Well certainly not on the basis of leaving an apartment!

Not a lawyer, but the standard is generally "beyond reasonable doubt". If you are caught in or leaving an apartment where an escort has a live advertisement, and there has been a call or messages with the number in the advertisement then that must easily meet the threshold.

[Blue60]

If massage services only albeit including B2B and reference also to say erotic massage are offered, are these illegal services ?

[Moocher]

My legal advice has advised me that if you are found in or leaving a known / advertising escorts apartment then thats enough for a conviction unless you have a bloody good reason to be there.

Comments like they can't prove you paid are utter rubbish.

Wow, somewhat surprised at that I have to say. Makes a nonsense then of adverts saying that you only pay for time. The escort can and does choose what services that she might provide. I would guess that certain clients probably don't avail of what can be defined as sexual services. I'd say many a client has paid for a kiss and a cuddle. How could he be prosecuted ?

[MidlifeCrisis]

Wow, somewhat surprised at that I have to say. Makes a nonsense then of adverts saying that you only pay for time. The escort can and does choose what services that she might provide. I would guess that certain clients probably don't avail of what can be defined as sexual services. I'd say many a client has paid for a kiss and a cuddle. How could he be prosecuted ?

This still counts as "sexual services" so I think technically you could be done for it, just as you could for an erotic massage. Whether they would proceed in those marginal cases is another matter. Also, the existence of the favourites list makes a bit of a nonsense of the "time and companionship" argument.

[Moocher]

This still counts as "sexual services" so I think technically you could be done for it, just as you could for an erotic massage. Whether they would proceed in those marginal cases is another matter. Also, the existence of the favourites list makes a bit of a nonsense of the "time and companionship" argument.

Are you sure MLC ? Seems ridiculous that you could be prosecuted for paying kissing and cuddling ? Surely paying for a lap dance in a lap dancing club would be more 'sexual service' ? At least I understand ( just about ) the HR service . Making criminals of genuine consenting adults seems absolutely barmy to me.

[DRBlot]

I find this thread a bit confusing. As far as I can see, from a fairly extensive search of the web, the only successful conviction of a man for paying for sexual services was in early 2019. The man in question was in his mid-sixties and it appears that he significantly contributed to his own problems by admitting to having purchased sexual services when questioned by the Guards.

There have been numerous media reports of the Guards questioning suspects or engaging in ‘days of action’, but I can’t find any evidence of actual convictions.

If anyone has any compelling evidence (and I emphasise ‘compelling evidence’) of any other convictions of men in the Republic of Ireland relating to the purchase of sexual services under the 2017 legislation, I would be very grateful if they could post the evidence on this thread.