Suicide = Bravery or Cowardice ?

[Patricia]

I believe it's a mental illness, and if that is the case, then it's beyond the control of person in question.

I pretty much agree with this. I have know people who have committed suicide and I think they have been mentally ill and that's why they've done it. I don't think it has been about cowardice or bravery, I think they have just sunk into a dark confused place where it has made sense to them to end their own life, but if they were well, if they weren't very ill mentally, they'd never have done it. It's very sad, both for the person who dies and for all who loved them.

[Smarty]

suicide is complete cowardice, the ultimate FAIL.

theres plenty of people would be glad of the little bit of health and life that a coward throws away in suicide

Bit harsh there, sonny are we not.

I don't think anyone knows what goes through a persons mind before he/she commits the ultimate act.
Obviously they are not thinking with a sane mind.

Don't be so judgemental

[Stewie]

I think it is a selfish thing to do not brave not cowardly.

I understand people have reasons for example enke had a daughter die maybe that was his reason but he had an 8 month old adopted child and a wife he has ended his own pain but inflicted a terrible pain on his wife and his family and friends.

I don't think people who do this should be lauded or condemned just the truth they have created terrible pain and suffering for those they left behind.

[dom]

I think it is a selfish thing to do not brave not cowardly.

I understand people have reasons for example enke had a daughter die maybe that was his reason but he had an 8 month old adopted child and a wife he has ended his own pain but inflicted a terrible pain on his wife and his family and friends.

I don't think people who do this should be lauded or condemned just the truth they have created terrible pain and suffering for those they left behind.

Stewie, for the above to be true, the person killing themselves would have to be fit to have made the decision consciously and rationally.
If you think that that is the case for someone to take their life, I don't think you have had much experience of suicide.

Pat is right, in order to take your own life, apart from the exception i mentioned in earlier post, the person is seriously mentally unwell.

they are so consumed with the weight on their shoulders and the demons that are hounding them that all logic disappears.
all they see is the negative in anything.

instead of seeing the love and compassion that their friends and family have for them in reaching out and trying to help, the fact that that assistance is necessary just underlines to them that they have become a burden.

they have not created anything for the loved ones left behind.
they have just tried to stop their own torment and anguish.
it is beyond selfishness because to be selfish a person must be aware of the consequences of their actions.

of course it is a terrible trauma for those affected.
one that will stay with them every day for the course of their own lives.
but hopefully, eventually, difficult as it will be, they will accept that the person who is gone is better off than trapped in the level of despair that pushed them over the edge.

dom

[rover]

I pretty much agree with this. I have know people who have committed suicide and I think they have been mentally ill and that's why they've done it. I don't think it has been about cowardice or bravery, I think they have just sunk into a dark confused place where it has made sense to them to end their own life, but if they were well, if they weren't very ill mentally, they'd never have done it. It's very sad, both for the person who dies and for all who loved them.

I think you have it there Patricia, that's kind of what I was trying to say, but I was pressed for time. It's a painful subject, especially for the people left behind, they never get over it.

[Stewie]

Stewie, for the above to be true, the person killing themselves would have to be fit to have made the decision consciously and rationally.
If you think that that is the case for someone to take their life, I don't think you have had much experience of suicide.

Pat is right, in order to take your own life, apart from the exception i mentioned in earlier post, the person is seriously mentally unwell.

they are so consumed with the weight on their shoulders and the demons that are hounding them that all logic disappears.
all they see is the negative in anything.

instead of seeing the love and compassion that their friends and family have for them in reaching out and trying to help, the fact that that assistance is necessary just underlines to them that they have become a burden.

they have not created anything for the loved ones left behind.
they have just tried to stop their own torment and anguish.
it is beyond selfishness because to be selfish a person must be aware of the consequences of their actions.

of course it is a terrible trauma for those affected.
one that will stay with them every day for the course of their own lives.
but hopefully, eventually, difficult as it will be, they will accept that the person who is gone is better off than trapped in the level of despair that pushed them over the edge.

dom

I think you are presuming all suicides come from the same place and that is simply not true, not all suicides are the last deperate act of someone in complete despair.
Nor is it true that they are better off as the saying goes suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

[Mousey]

Anyone who commits suidice, and the family and friends they leave afterward, deserve the highest amounts of our compassion. Whether or not bravery or cowardice comes into it is irrelevant.

[experienced punter]

The unfortunate thing about it, is the ones that are left behind, the devastating grief they encounter.
I have a son in his twenties and if he did anything like that, I just could not accept it, I'd ball my head off till God knows when. I hear of suicides and my heart goes out to those who are left behind, I'd love to write to them and express solidarity, but typical, I put it off. I suppose the worst thing you could do, is avoid people you know.

(I had to finish that post in a hurry, I hope to get back to it).

God knows what kind of torment people who commit suicide are in it is neither cowardly or selfish people do it because they think that their loved ones would be better of without them, the mind has some dark recesses where logic doesnt exist....

[Bertieballs]

Hey guys and gals......suicide is an awful problem ........it's not a simple matter...young guys do it on impulse when pissed and they have a row with their girlfriends..usually hanging....no come back!!..........girls do the same but usually an Od with something mildly toxic so they are rescued...a cry for help.............Then there are those with serious illnesses such as MS or Motor Neurone Disease who just cant face the slow decline to death and end it all.
No heroes and no cowards just troubled people who cannot cope.
One of the girls (escorts) recently who I am very fond of has MS...she has overdosed in the past...we were getting on famously on a regular basis and she has dissapeared...I hope nothing happened...I would love to know that she is ok...maybe she just had enough...if anyone knows who she is...you can contact me via this to let me know......I dont wanrt to hassle her just worried that she may be in a bad place....

[rover]

the mind has some dark recesses where logic doesnt exist....

Well put EP.