Lets Petition the Government

[jackpot]

Thing is, I don't know where they are? ;-)

I did once think about trying to find a retired escort maybe and offer her a job working in this area, but you know if I'm paying for the campaign, isn't it same difference as me campaigning?

Pat x

I'd say it could be a nightmare trying to organise the girls but I think that unless the person going forward is seen to represent them and only them then that person will be open to all types of "vested interest" and "exploit" type comments. I just think that any discussion with you would lead to an attack on you and E-I and muddy the waters about what the discussion should really be about. As regards "paying for the campaign" it would be much easier for a third party to simply say "yes we receive some financial help from E-I but as we have no involvement in it all questions about E-I should be directed to Patricia..."

I don't want to seem negative about your involvement but I think if you are in the front line then the other side will be able to attack on two fronts.

Again just thinking out loud.

[adogwithabone]

Thing is, I don't know where they are? ;-)

I did once think about trying to find a retired escort maybe and offer her a job working in this area, but you know if I'm paying for the campaign, isn't it same difference as me campaigning?

Pat x

If you were to do this you would not do it directly. You might set up a charity, open to contributions from the public, to support escorts who have been victims of violence. A retired escort may run this operation, and in this capacity could put forward her personal views on the law. It is all a matter of perception.

[Patricia]

I'm all for not being the person to stand up, but the problem I am just not seeing past is that I cant see who else is going to do it.

What is we set up a sort of "union" escorts could join (It would be free to join, E-I would give a donation to cover it's initial running costs). I would be managing the union so to speak for now, but important issues would always be voted on. So, when we made a statement or a press release, it would be coming from all our members, not just me.

I'm just thinking out loud here now...

[jackpot]

I'm all for not being the person to stand up, but the problem I am just not seeing past is that I cant see who else is going to do it.

What is we set up a sort of "union" escorts could join (It would be free to join, E-I would give a donation to cover it's initial running costs). I would be managing the union so to speak for now, but important issues would always be voted on. So, when we made a statement or a press release, it would be coming from all our members, not just me.

I'm just thinking out loud here now...

Is there not already some organisation that organises medical checks for the girls. Somebody told me something about this at one stage. Does this exist or was I being wound up?

[Patricia]

Is there not already some organisation that organises medical checks for the girls. Somebody told me something about this at one stage. Does this exist or was I being wound up?

There is a drop in std clinic for sex workers in Dublin.

Last I heard they are supporting Ruhama's views currently, but I don't think they always did.

[jackpot]

There is a drop in std clinic for sex workers in Dublin.

Last I heard they are supporting Ruhama's views currently, but I don't think they always did.

They don't seem to be the way to go so. Is there any other organasition out there?

[mrbee]

im pretty sure a brothel has to be over 2, ie 3 plus

[Smarty]

Fair paly to you Patricia, for too long the only voice heard has been the likes of
Ruhama. Which is run by a group of man hating frustrated nuns.
Part of their mission statement states:
"Ruhama (Hebrew for renewed life) regards prostitution as violence against women and violations of womens human rights."

And there you have it they deem all prostitution as voilence against women, even though this site has plently of working girls who are in this business to make money and are also happy in their work.

The likes of Ruhama and the stigimitazian of heading to a prostitute in Ireland for both girl and client directly leads to the voilence that was inflicted to that girl and the reason for this thread.

In Ireland all prostitution is underground and therefore this gives licence to nutters in our society to abuse working girls.
How many girls who have been hurt possibly never report anything, because of the hassle they would get.
While I believe 99% of guys are ok, there is always the dodgy 1%.

Also Sex Trafficking claims have often been exaggerated in Ireland by certain interest groups for their ends, while I don’t condone sex trafficking we already have a law that deals with using a victim of sex trafficking for sex and has adequate punishment.
The Criminal Law (Trafficking in Persons and Sexual Offences) Bill 2006.

Several years ago in 2006 we had the conclusion of an 18 month operation quest.
Detective Superintendent John McKeown, who heads Operation Quest at Store St Station, says that there is no evidence that any of the girls are being forced into prostitution, none is underage and most pocket 50 per cent of their earnings. This has been backed up by the recent British police report which came to a similar conclusion.

I would suggest having a system like Belgium which allows prostitution in a tolerant zone, take Antwerp for example the city council have deemed 3 streets to be a tolerent zone and
there is a constant police presence, the cops are not there to hassle the girls or punters but to make sure the area and girls are secure. I was there a few months ago and to me the system seems to work a treat.
The girls work in houses that have individual rooms but maybe 4 or 5 girls working from the one house so anyone causing problems can be identified and dealth with. In the biggest brothal the Villa Tinto the girls have panic alarm button direct to a cop shop downstairs.

In return the cops check the girls documents and assure themselves that non of the girls are traffiked, the girls are checked for STD's and the pay back to the city council the girls even pay taxes, now thats a novel way to get our economy up and running.

This is a lot better than Rumaha demanding bull shit laws that will only drive the industry more underground, and is more of a danger to the girls.

[Smarty]

In June of this year when I heard a senator was trying to push through legislation regarding making it illegal to pay for sex I sent the following to every Senator's email address, which is freely available on the senate site. Funnily enough I did not get one reply.
Perehaps a similar campaign might work.


" Folks,

Later on today you are being asked to pass a motion on the banning of looking for the services of prostitutes such as is the case in Sweden.

Often the Swedish model is touted as the perfect solution but it has been proved to be far from perfect in practice, and has only served to put women in a more vulnerable position. As they are afraid to report an act of violence fearing that they will be prosecuted for being a prostitute.

Please see re Swedish law problems
Swedish Prostitution Law: Critiques

Sex Trafficking claims have often been exaggerated in Ireland by certain interest groups for their ends, while I don’t condone sex trafficking we already have a law that deals with using a victim of sex trafficking for sex and has adequate punishment.
The Criminal Law (Trafficking in Persons and Sexual Offences) Bill 2006.

Several years ago in 2006 we had the conclusion of an 18 month operation quest.
Detective Superintendent John McKeown, who heads Operation Quest at Store St Station, says that there is no evidence that any of the girls are being forced into prostitution, none is underage and most pocket 50 per cent of their earnings.

He says the oldest profession in the world is experiencing similar benefits of our booming economy as other industries and Dublin is now a highly sought after place to work. And he believes that politicians should considering legalising prostitution in a bid to monitor it properly and offer more protection to girls.

¨We have carried out an in-depth investigation into organised prostitution over the past 18 months and we have found no evidence of exploitation or trafficking. There are no gangs involved and there is little violence.

"The youngest girls appear to be 19 and most are in their 20s and early 30s. We have found no evidence of underage girls working - the pimps don't want to bring that kind of attention on themselves. The girls are working because they want to make money and Dublin is somewhere that they can earn a lot of money," Detective Superintendent McKeown said.

"I was very surprised when we started this investigation to find that a lot of the old myths regarding prostitution have gone out the window. It is a service that is in demand and there is a lot of money about nowadays. To put it simply, there is room for everyone and plenty of work. The pimps know one another and work side by side. They don't want trouble and there are rarely disputes."

Prostitution is the oldest profession and it will NEVER go away, any motion to ban the payment for sex will only drive it further underground, thus putting both punters and girls in more risk.

I urge you to vote down this little though out motion in relation to its consequences.

What’s my angle I am a man that uses prostitutes, I consider myself an ordinary decent law abiding citizen and I don't fancy being prosecuted for doing something that is not harming anyone. I will back up what the head detective said as I have been with a lot of women and I have never personally felt that the girl was being forced. Also most are good humoured intelligent girls. One girl told me that because of being on the game she had a house in Scotland and Spain fully paid for.

Rather than this I would suggest having a system like Belgium which allows prostitution in a tolerant zone and they even get the girls to pay taxes, now thats a novel way to get our economy up and running.

Regards,

Paul"

[Quarterpoundher]

I don't think any harm in trying even when its probably doomed, nothing changes without a push now and then, you only have to look at todays date to see the power of people demanding change. We all know the two Escort situation being seen as a brothel is just such stupid thing that is as we speak forcing Women into being so open to attack but I think there is merit is highlighting the fact that in reality the law is in effect making it easier for violent thugs to do these things safe in the knowledge that she is on her own for fear of breaking that counter productive law. The Government and anyone with say or influence should look into the eyes of the Escort who bravely showed those photos and hang their heads that they for so long have buried in the sand.