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    Default For Ber and Luther

    Straight from the horses mouth.A post i spotted from one of the best Amercian coaches at the moment.About sprinting.


    I can't remember the response you are referring to; however, the motor and physiological structure of sprinting is specific to the distance covered, the athlete's speed potential, and the bioenergetic fitness level of the athlete.

    Regarding the 100m event: this is my breakdown as it applies to most sub-10sec sprinters:

    Start (0-10m)
    Acceleration 1 (10-30m)
    Acceleration 2 (30-50m)
    Maximum Velocity (50-70m)
    Speed Endurance (70-100m)

    The start and acceleration 1 phases, from a motor standpoint, transition from starting/explosive abilities into the acceleration 2 and max V phases that require elastic/reactive abilities coupled with relaxation which is a unique ability unto itself.

    The ability to accelerate, within the context of sprinting, is interesting because it differs from acceleration strength which by definition occurs right around the beginning of actual movement.

    The race finalizes with the physiological environment during speed endurance that breaches the purely alactic zone that, depending on the bioenergetic fitness level of the athlete, may vary between alactic capacity and anaerobic-lactic power.

    Not to be forgotten is the technical requirements necessary to maximize the motor potential.

    Note to my fellow coaches of physical preparation, regardless if you are employed by professional, collegiate, or school age organizations, if you are not qualified to properly instruct sprint training to your field based athletes- you are doing them a great disservice.



    It was mainly Bolts stride that makes him get better times and thats why he says Bolt needs to be analysed seperatly (in a seperate post he says Bolt needs to be analysed seperately to other sub 10 sec sprinters.)..No where in this post does it mention stride.However it mentions alot of the things i spoke about as far as accleration goes

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    Default As I suspected.........

    You completely missed the point on that........

    So at the risk of boring the tits off the entire forum, I'll try to clear this up as quickly as I can.........

    Do you think someone who, fully grown at 5 feet tall, with the best training, coaching, diet etc. etc. etc. that can be given to them, and with them holding nothing back themselves could ever set a world record time at 100m...........

    And if not why???

    What would be limiting then and preventing them from achieving this???
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    Quote Originally Posted by luther View Post
    You completely missed the point on that........

    So at the risk of boring the tits off the entire forum, I'll try to clear this up as quickly as I can.........

    Do you think someone who, fully grown at 5 feet tall, with the best training, coaching, diet etc. etc. etc. that can be given to them, and with them holding nothing back themselves could ever set a world record time at 100m...........

    And if not why???

    What would be limiting then and preventing them from achieving this???
    the part your referring to being genetics is the one trait that the others can compromise for.The others being the right coaching,hard work,the right recoveryt,the right drugs and the right diet.Genetics is a bullshit excuse by ppl who are either too lazy to get the job done or have a low athletic self esteem.

    Genetics = bullshit excuse,
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    I didnt get in to this debate the last time , because to be truthful it has nothing to do with shagging escorts.

    But as for genetics it has a lot to with it and its not a bullshit excuse

    Bolt takes 40 to 41 strides in a 100-meter race. Walter Dix, the 5-foot-9 bronze medalist, takes 47.

    Genetics decided that dix takes 47 strides


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    Default Somebody pleaseeeeeeeeeee.........

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    You just don't get.............

    While what you're saying is admiradle and all, I'm afraid because of genetics, this person would be limited by physics.......

    So the answer is no....... this couldn't person couldn't achieve this...........

    A person at 5 feet tall, while being healthy, and assuming their height isn't a consequence of a disability, disease, injury etc., are this height because of genetics. And this will limit them physically, somewhat in strength, although this certainly can be overcome through training etc., but more so in stride, where a taller person will always have that advantage. Now I'm sorry, but there is no amount of training etc that can overcome that. That's just a physical advantage the taller person will have...........as a result of genetics..........

    And before anybody says it..................I already know.......










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    Quote Originally Posted by luther View Post
    but more so in stride, where a taller person will always have that advantage. Now I'm sorry, but there is no amount of training etc that can overcome that. That's just a physical advantage the taller person will have...........as a result of genetics..........
    but and heres the part you dont get.There are so many aspects to sprinting ,as can be seen by the initial post,that the genetic disadvantage can be made up for.If what your saying is true then all of the best sprinters would be the tallest sprinters as well and that isnt the case except for Bolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidex View Post
    but and heres the part you dont get.There are so many aspects to sprinting ,as can be seen by the initial post,that the genetic disadvantage can be made up for.If what your saying is true then all of the best sprinters would be the tallest sprinters as well and that isnt the case except for Bolt.

    Westside.
    The sprint between Ferdinand & Torres yesterday, and previously between Ferdinand & Bellamy, shows that being taller doesn't automatically mean you are faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest View Post
    The sprint between Ferdinand & Torres yesterday, and previously between Ferdinand & Bellamy, shows that being taller doesn't automatically mean you are faster.
    I never said that its westie said that it was because that Bolt was taller and that he had a longer
    stride he was faster,there is much more to Genetics than height, u have muscle mass,lung capacity
    etc just to name a few.

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    Not to mention the % of fast twitch muscle fibres to slow twitch ones , and what type of fast twitch muscle fibres you have , along with numerous other things that i could ramble on about except for the fact that i'm goin to bed now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidex View Post
    but and heres the part you dont get.There are so many aspects to sprinting ,as can be seen by the initial post,that the genetic disadvantage can be made up for.If what your saying is true then all of the best sprinters would be the tallest sprinters as well and that isnt the case except for Bolt.

    Westside.
    I'm just using height as the most visable example.........

    Listen, your superman attitude is great, it really is, I believe it myself, everybody should. Everybody should believe that they can achieve anything, overcome any obstacle, be all they can be and more......
    Sadly that just isn't the case where something like this is concerned..........

    As I've said before, as an example, basketball players. Tall people make better basketball players because they are more physically suited to the sport, because of genetics........
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