What does it mean when you say someone is a man or a woman?

[Wolverine]

Looks like he doesn't want you in his thread because you have a different point of view to him.

If you do let him drive you from the thread please don't be driven from the forums altogether - we've missed you!

It's not his thread and he did say he was accepting of others to live their life as they choose.

Also to allow everyone their own beliefs.

[MidlifeCrisis]

Women are female, men are male. It's not for us to define reality, simply interpret it. Let us remember one simple thing that the vast majority of people willingly are ignorant towards: we are ANIMALS. Specifically, we are animals belonging to the Phylum known as 'Chordata', of which comprises 5 classes: mammals (us), amphibians, fish, reptiles and birds. We interpret sex (or gender) on the basis of sexual reproduction, i.e. male gametes (sperm) and female gametes (eggs).

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Quotes paraphrased:
“When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind.”
— C. S. Lewis

“Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie.”
— Miyamoto Musashi

I finally got around to reading this mega-post. Hidden inside walls of stuff that I agree with, and I think most would agree with, are some uber-reactionary opinions. I hope you realise that you are at the very far-right end of the spectrum of opinion on this subject. As with many who take that position, you are condescending and dismissive of anyone on your left.

I consider myself well right of centre on these issues, and I am in full agreement with your anger at the way some people are leading young children down these paths, and the way that activists are destroying womens' sports in the name of "inclusiveness". If I had my way, our language would not be tampered with so that words like marriage, woman, etc have lost their original meanings, but I am prepared to change my use of language in these areas because it is the lesser of two evils. I will happily try to learn the preferred pronouns and how to behave around those who are not happy in their born sex. I will happily compromise my old-fashioned understanding of "gender" simply as a matter of respect.

You state "Anyone with gender dysphoria needs psychological support." This is a tautology, as stated, but I don't think it is what you mean. I think you mean to say that anyone who feels their gender to be other than their born sex needs psychological support. If I am right, then that seems massively arrogant - "if they don't see the world the way I see it they are mentally ill". Forgive me if I have misinterpreted your position.

[MidlifeCrisis]

It's not his thread and he did say he was accepting of others to live their life as they choose.

Also to allow everyone their own beliefs.

I was being ironic when I called it his thread.

He may have included the statement about being "accepting of others", but the bulk of his post shows anything but acceptance.

I don't object to his opinions, and am with him on many of them - I do object to the intolerance of other positions.

[IrishSarahBarra]

Looks like he doesn't want you in his thread because you have a different point of view to him.

If you do let him drive you from the thread please don't be driven from the forums altogether - we've missed you!

Yes, I hurt his feelings.

Well, I feel like I owe EscortInspector a proper answer now, after all my passive aggression and getting myself embroiled in what I just did there, and when the op was pretty well thought out.

Any new pics?

[EscortInspector]

The OP was intentionally open ended to allow for others to say what they have to say on the matter. I purposefully avoided using any language related to current headlines or scientific and medical terminology. If people want to bring it up that's up to them providing they can relate it back to the question "What does it mean when you say someone is a man or a woman?"

[Stephanie]

And you don’t have a halfwit derailing it . I envy you .

It’s a good thread .

I’ve been at trying to post a thoughtful reply to it for Days ,

but each time get bogged down - when in fact the question - and the Answer - so simple !

Perhaps I needed turmoil and being ticked off for this question / answer to crystallize too .

Instead of getting mired down in contemplating in all directions : the answer is so simple !

[EscortInspector]

And you don’t have a halfwit derailing it . I envy you .

It’s a good thread .

I’ve been at trying to post a thoughtful reply to it for Days ,

but each time get bogged down - when in fact the question - and the Answer - so simple !

Perhaps I needed turmoil and being ticked off for this question / answer to crystallize too .

Instead of getting mired down in contemplating in all directions : the answer is so simple !

Like all good threads posted by a man it was inspired by a woman

https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...83#post3068683

[IrishSarahBarra]

Briefly touching on imagination again because this seems to be something that at least one person gets caught on; I know what it feels like to be happy because I’ve been happy. If I felt that I knew what it was like to happy based on my experience of being sad or angry, that would be my imagination of happy and not knowledge (because knowledge is not opposites). Unless, I was born programmed with the knowledge of what it is to be happy.


Now, I am not for a second saying that I was born with an innate psychological knowledge of my gender identity (my personal sense of my gender) (OR (and I’m not an expert on anything which is why I won’t be taking a stage anywhere) an innate knowledge of how to facilitate my physical sex parts (like intuitive physics where we suck to eat or blink to clean eyeballs, or whatever, it gets complicated and I’m not an expert) …and could it be the wrong knowledge?).


I’m merely saying that no one else can definitively prove that I haven’t been. Therefore, no one can definitively prove that my gender identity, whatever it may be or how male or masculine it might be, is simply my experience of being a woman while with female sex parts due to my not having experienced anything besides being physically female. Again, experience is only one form of knowledge.


However widely thought it might be that a psychological knowledge of gender identity is something that is learned, that thought is not proven, and unless someone is going to get out there with a bag of barometers and prove the unproven, this one tiny aspect of gender studies should pose enough of a question to any human that they would leave any other human the hell alone. Because, what if? Do you want to be that guy who’s wrongly persecuted someone else, persecuted them by being complicit, or stood in the way of them being happy or at peace? For what?


That’s my baseline.

[IrishSarahBarra]

Edit: using “gender identity” loosely there. However much formed it is or if it’s a predisposition.

[Stephanie]

Like all good threads posted by a man it was inspired by a woman

https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...83#post3068683

“Day 74 of being a ‘Girl’ “




If you’d like to have a discussion on the topic , perhaps best to start a new thread

and move away from the Election thread : though the issues are related , this would

deserve its own space altogether .

Just say 👍 .

Thank you Inspector x