We must vote Yes

[oneeyedreilly]

We must vote Yes on Friday. While I would agree with Wests comment on American companies, I cannot agree with his statement to vote No to keep our self respect. Ireland has gained massively from Europe and much of our new and improved infrastructure is a result of EU grants. Our funding of NAMA will be underwritten by the EU and our best chance of avoiding the IMF stepping in, is helped by a strong position in Europe. All this BULL about minimum wage, conscription into an EU army, abortion etc. are all just red herrings perpetuated by GOBSHITES.

[luther]

All this BULL about minimum wage, conscription into an EU army, abortion etc. are all just red herrings perpetuated by GOBSHITES.

People are confused......

Our national minimun wage and abortion will never be controlled by Europe, these will always be domestic issues and decisions.......

This is the confusion with the army, this is what they're talking about......

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[Westsidex]

People are confused......

Our national minimun wage and abortion will never be controlled by Europe, these will always be domestic issues and decisions.......

This is the confusion with the army, this is what they're talking about......

Helsinki Headline Goal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there was a time when ppl here said that the goverment would never have a second referendum after the first one was rejected.Newsflash,they are doing just that.Turning a blind eye on democracy and ppls rights as voters.

Westside.

[luther]

there was a time when ppl here said that the goverment would never have a second referendum after the first one was rejected.Newsflash,they are doing just that.Turning a blind eye on democracy and ppls rights as voters.

Westside.

As I've said before, I don't think we should have to be voting on this again, but we are, and the reason is that this time people have been, or should have been better informed about what's involved and some thing have been clarified or changed..........

[Westsidex]

As I've said before, I don't think we should have to be voting on this again, but we are, and the reason is that this time people have been, or should have been better informed about what's involved and some thing have been clarified or changed..........

its the same treaty and as far as being better informed we havnt being.the gov havnt gone into any detail at all as to what it is and isnt.

an excuse,
Westside.

[luther]

its the same treaty and as far as being better informed we havnt being.the gov havnt gone into any detail at all as to what it is and isnt.

an excuse,
Westside.

We can't be forced to learn about it. People have to educate themselves on this matter, the information is out there. Now don't get me wrong, like all sides they'll tell you what they want you to hear but it's up to people to find all the information and facts themselves........

It's not like you can force people to learn about this and give them an exam on it that they must pass before they can vote............but it's a good idea.........A better investment than electronic voting.........

[Stewie]

People are confused......

Our national minimun wage and abortion will never be controlled by Europe, these will always be domestic issues and decisions.......

This is the confusion with the army, this is what they're talking about......

Helsinki Headline Goal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actually the minimum wage one has been misunderstood the argument is not that the EU can set or change Irelands minimum wage but that rulings by the EU courts could undermine and effectively make the minimum wage irrelevant or force Ireland to drop it to allow Irish companies to compete.

This is based on the Eu ruling that EU companies can bid for contracts and bring their own workers from their own state and pay them the minimum wage in the home state not the country they are actually working in

EUobserver / EU trade unions condemn court for minimum wage ruling

This effectively means that a Polish or a company from any other low wage EU country could bring workers here and pay them the Polish minimum wage for example or even a multiple of the minimum wage there which would still be far lower than the Irish minimum wage.

The Irish government would then be pressured by IBEC CIF etc to drop the Irish minimum wage so they could compete etc etc.

[luther]

conscription into an EU army

You don't hear much about the 86 brave Irish soldiers who have given their lives for the cause of peace and the other close on 100,000 that have served in UN missions with distinction all over the world, but when there's a political angle to be gained they'll drag up the EU army..........

Shamefull..........

[Westsidex]

You don't hear much about the 86 brave Irish soldiers who have given their lives for the cause of peace and the other close on 100,000 that have served in UN missions with distinction all over the world, but when there's a political angle to be gained they'll drag up the EU army..........

Shamefull..........

that works both ways.What about all those and its a hell of alot more than 86,who "voluntered" and lost their lives fighting for freedom during the great wars a freedom that we are no going to give awayover some bullshit treaty that will be changed and amended as time goes on.

now thats shameful,
Westside.

[luther]

that works both ways.What about all those and its a hell of alot more than 86,who "voluntered" and lost their lives fighting for freedom during the great wars a freedom that we are no going to give awayover some bullshit treaty that will be changed and amended as time goes on.

now thats shameful,
Westside.

This has nothing to do with our volunteers, we are not giving away our freedom and it's shameful that parties would use a tactic like this to scare people.......