Most reviewers are fake. Most reviews are not.

[Karin Kiss]

why dont they put this into a more alphabetical list so you can find a name easier?

just my simple suggestion for an improvement.

I am not sure why the escorts and the reviewers are not shown in alphabetical order or even if this will be ever done but if you are looking for a particular escort or reviewer in the list, just press Ctr+F and look for the name this way. You can also navigate trough Next / Previous in case there are more matches, see below screenshot - look at the red circle.

[El Gordo]

First, I should have been a bit more careful in the wording of my posts above. Several times I wrote "first time reviewers" but I should always have written "one time reviewers." I was counting people who wrote only one review, not first reviews. I should also have double checked individual escorts' counts. I seem to have got Karin's wrong.

There are currently about 2,163 reviews which accounts for almost 50% of all visible reviews (as some reviews opted out of the review system). If half the reviews are single reviews, an escort having a 15%, a 20% of them woudn't seem to me something to worry about.

I'm not sure where the number 2,163 comes from. I counted 13,212 reviews from 4,175 reviewers. 2,087 of those reviewers wrote only one review, so about 15% of reviews are from one time reviewers.

True, some escorts do attract first time clients more then others.
Each single day I am working I find at least one person that never visited an escort before.As El Gordo said it in one of his previous postings, I do look quite innocent (it's just the look BTW ) and nervous first timers are comfortable with me. I used to ask majority of my clients to leave a honest review of our encounters and I often tried to convince them to register for their first review. I am not doing that anymore as clearly this doesn't do me any favours. Facts speak for themselves and you'll probably notice that 2 trusted reviewers on my page had their first reviews on me, I hope this would constitute some sort of evidence that yes, I do attract first timers. Given time, many of those first timers would go on and write more reviews.

I think this is correct. You are one of the escorts I had in mind when I wrote that there were legitimate reasons for an escort to have more one time reviewers.

The percent calculated on me is in fact smaller. One of my reviewers had in fact 2 reviews, but the other girl he left a review for decided to opt out of the review system. The "karin on karin" review belongs in fact to someone else who left a single review, so they are in fact 2 (both ratted due to the unfortunate circumstances).

I think I miscounted your one time reviewers, for which I apologise. I think there are 7: beenabadboy, karin_27, chimera1, Captain C, Western_ANC, John_Player, and Spook_XXX. Two of those are indeed ratted. None of your other reviews are ratted. Including rats you have 15% and excluding rats you have 11% from one time reviewers. Unfortunately there is no way to see whether a reviewer has invisible reviews, or reviews waiting to be approved.

I don't want to change the beautiful presentation of El Gordo in something about myself so I will refrain to speak further about myself and my reviews. His second posting (about reading he reviews) makes a wonderful addition to the first. Good statistical procedures are reliable ways of learning from data, ones which are unlikely to lead us into errors, however taking a little time to read the reviews of any escort would bring more reliable information.

Thanks for pointing out that I miscounted. I'm not sure how that happened. I hope I haven't done that to anyone else.
I think you and I might be looking at your numbers from different points of view. You are trying to figure out whether you look honest to prospective clients. I believe that you are honest and am trying see how many one time reviews an honest escort might have.

Also the stats are a little unfair on English Taylor given she only has 26 reviews it might be interesting to count the first 26 girls of those listed to see if he level is as above average as it seems.

I'm not sure unfair is the correct word. I'm not accusing her of anything. The number of reviews is much too small for that. She could certainly collect 6 by chance.

Re: first time reviewers and Karin. Karin is posting here a lot and puts herself across very well. If you are a newbie I would have thought that you are going to be inclined to gravitate towards the ladies that post on here on a regular basis. Ditto Dolly, mysterious Diana, Anna, Elle.

Of the five escorts you mention, I have personally recommended three to various people who have asked for suggestions for a first escort experience. So yes, some escorts are going to get a disproportionate share of new clients and thus new reviewers. That's one of the reasons to be cautious in interpreting these numbers.

By the way, who is to say that Scankman, zoobanzoo, ber, blackcat etc amongst the multiple reviewers are not pimps. It would seem unusual to me for a pimp not to ensure his ladies were well advertised and reviewed.

They could be, but I doubt it. For one thing, I don't think any pimp in Ireland has that many escorts working for him. For another, I think he would probably use multiple accounts, to make it a bit less obvious. In any case, it doesn't make a big difference in the numbers if scankman does turn out to be a pimp.

[Karin Kiss]

The number I have quoted is correct, calculated with the data available last evening.
But I am guilty of not reading correctly this thread and I was referring to the number / percent of reviewers rather then reviews.
So almost 50% of the reviewers have just one single review, that's what I meant ...
The title you used for the first posting here is just right: "Most reviewers are fake. Most reviews are not".

I am perfectly aware that you were not trying to dispute my reviews love7 love7 love7.

And you are correct in saying that we might have been looking at the numbers from different points of view: myself under the slight pressure of not damaging my reputation in front of perspective clients (that don't read this thread too well - like myself )and yourself in the position of making an objective interpration of current number of reviews.

Ahhh, before I click on the "Submit Reply" button ... probably Scankman, NBT, zoobanzoo, ber etc ... would just love to be pimps, imagine all the free pussy they would get Luckily for them, they are not and we are happy to have them as punters

[adogwithabone]

In fairness, karin analysis was spot on and should have been adopted.

All i can do is take ure suggestions and give them to Patricia.

In fairness people dont realise how slow changes are made around here.......

6 months for client warning section and nearly the same for same for new chatroom.

When i started the review system bbj and i had compiled a list of of 30 odd changes to review system, compiled from suggestions on message board and our own ideas......five of them have been done.

As for the escort of the month, it has been turned in to a farse with four points for badged reveiwer.
I have suggested it before that only one review per reviewer should be counted.

But as every other suggestion ,that has been made with regards to review system falls on deaf ears. At least we know were priorities lie with patricia , and unfortunately for the the genuine punters out there that spend money .........its not with us.

nbt

There are now, regularly, over 700 escorts advertised here which I think is about 30% up on a year ago. As far as I know they pay about €100pw each plus extra for banners. This equates to close on €4m p.a.!!!!!!! If I was in Pats position, I would be slow to change anything also.
In contrast, there are only about 100 advertising on IIE and half of those are upcoming. The biggest problem that we have is that IIE are such a fuck-up. It is not in anyones interest (except Pats) that E-I have such dominence in the market.

[ninebythree]

! If I was in Pats position, I would be slow to change anything also.
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Any there you hit the nail on the head.


But i remember back in 06...you wouldnt ride a escort that advertised here if you had a bag of mickeys,because they were all agency escorts.

And it seems to be going very similar at moment


nbt

[adogwithabone]

well from a business point of view it makes more sense to make the business more effecient with these improvements and reduce costs.



so instead of the owner making profit of say 200k from the 4m, they would make say 400k.


now thats business sense

How would the changes reduce Pats costs? All I can say is that business is not your strength if you think that Pat is only turning a profit of 5%. It is more likely closer to 90%.

[adogwithabone]

I just wanted to clarify one point. Counting first time reviewers is no substitute for reading reviews. For example, you can see above that Karin has an above average number of first time reviewers. Even with 47 reviews there isn't enough data to say that this means anything. If you actually look at the reviews you see, for example, a very positive review from ninebythree written a couple of weeks ago. Personally I wouldn't have any hesitation about seeing Karen even if the number of first time reviewers is slightly above average. On the other hand, there is an escort who has recently returned to Dublin who has a smaller percentage of first time reviewers than Karen. But if you look at those reviews a little you begin to notice things. For example there are two reviewers who have multiple reviews, but all of those reviews are of this one escort. Another has 4 reviews, of which 3 are of this particular escort. There are also unusually many ratted reviews. None of this would convict anyone in a court of law. In fact it could all be innocent, which is one of the reasons I don't want to name the escort in question, but personally I wouldn't pay 200 euro an hour of my own money just to find out.

For those with short attention spans: counting first time reviewers is useful for finding general patterns, like the fact that some escorts in the running for Escort of the Month probably can't resist the temptation to cheat. It's not a magic wand to identify dishonest escorts. You still need to read reviews if you don't want nasty surprises.

I have said it before, all once-off reviews should automatically delete after say 2 months if there is no further activity by the reviewer. All ratted reviews should automatically delete after 2 weeks unless the reviewer disputes the rat label. Reviewers should only be allowed one review per escort.

[ninebythree]

how do you figure that out?


maybe there are a lot more agency girls posing as indeps as you are reporting.

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thats exactly what im saying.

jez , theres no flies on you


nbt

[Alyssa Jenkins]

I have said it before, all once-off reviews should automatically delete after say 2 months if there is no further activity by the reviewer. All ratted reviews should automatically delete after 2 weeks unless the reviewer disputes the rat label. Reviewers should only be allowed one review per escort.

dogwithabone I totally agree with your methods here I think it is reasonable or unless like suggested before if you would like to re review a lady then it should replace the older review this makes great sense to me xxxx

[El Gordo]

dogwithabone I totally agree with your methods here I think it is reasonable or unless like suggested before if you would like to re review a lady then it should replace the older review this makes great sense to me xxxx

But is it fair to do this retroactively? On two occasions I've written a long review for an escort and then, after another meeting, written another short one with just one or two details I forgot to mention the previous time. I would be unhappy if the long review vanished and only the short one survived.