Ukraine

[Forceuser]

Blame America for nothing ?

Caused so much unrest in the Middle East...were a major factor in the rise of ISIS. Fucked Iraq and then just quit leaving a trail of bloodshed...there lay blame.

Fucked Central and South America with drugs...there lay blame.

they also left litter on the moon

[Rockerman]

they also left litter on the moon

Good man. Agenda seeking is obvious.

[Forceuser]

Agenda seeking is obvious.

very true............

[Rockerman]

very true............

Come on man. You speak so passionately and seriously from one point of view and then laugh and joke about another side without taking it seriously. You know what I said it true. You are a good poster in my opinion, but come on.

You'll get a certain poster's seal of approval shortly.

[Forceuser]

Come on man. You speak so passionately and seriously from one point of view and then laugh and joke about another side without taking it seriously. You know what I said it true. You are a good poster in my opinion, but come on.

You'll get a certain poster's seal of approval shortly.

fine,i'll say it completely
she never said anything about america not being to blame for anything
in fact she never mentioned america at all
she was talking specifically about grain shortages in africa which directly links
with the ukrainian conflict

bringing up other large topics like south american drug wars on a thread about ukraine
is off topic and makes it seem like you just want to row with her instead of discussing any points

[Rockerman]

fine,i'll say it completely
she never said anything about america not being to blame for anything
in fact she never mentioned america at all
she was talking specifically about grain shortages in africa which directly links
with the ukrainian conflict

bringing up other large topics like south american drug wars on a thread about ukraine
is off topic and makes it seem like you just want to row with her instead of discussing any points

Fine! Fair point!

How can I row with her when she ignores me, but mouths off about me in other posts with sad little digs? LOL I'll drop it so!

Also her post is ridiculously one sided and condescending.

The World is connected. If you think American foreign policy is not connected to this thread well I don't know what the fuck to tell you man! You are obviously an educated fella, but come on. The problem here is there are cliques who like to hear what they agree with. I'm not Joggon lol. What Russia have done is wrong, but what the fuck were NATO expanding to their fucking border for!

[Forceuser]

Fine! Fair point!

How can I row with her when she ignores me, but mouths off about me in other posts with sad little digs? LOL I'll drop it so!

Also her post is ridiculously one sided and condescending.

The World is connected. If you think American foreign policy is not connected to this thread well I don't know what the fuck to tell you man! You are obviously an educated fella, but come on. The problem here is there are cliques who like to hear what they agree with. I'm not Joggon lol. What Russia have done is wrong, but what the fuck were NATO expanding to their fucking border for!

i do agree that both russia and americas foreign policy have a huge effect
on ukraine and the world at large,but also feel if we start bringing up subjects from
other time periods and continents that are not directly related to the point being made,
the whole thing will just become a huge whataboutism mess (if it hasn't already)

both nations have historic blood on their hands around the world,most nations do
that can be taken as self-evident
2 wrongs will never make a right

[Rockerman]

i do agree that both russia and americas foreign policy have a huge effect
on ukraine and the world at large,but also feel if we start bringing up subjects from
other time periods and continents that are not directly related to the point being made,
the whole thing will just become a huge whataboutism mess (if it hasn't already)

both nations have historic blood on their hands around the world,most nations do
that can be taken as self-evident
2 wrongs will never make a right

Um ok man you are conceding a little here...you are reasonable atleast.

Conversations flow and this "off topic" nonsense has to stop. There aren't restrictions in a forum of conversation flow...it is natural. There is a lot of different angles to take into consideration. If Africa can be discussed then so can America. It's all connected. There is nobody 100% right in World politics...it's all crooked as fuck. So to see some take one side 100% is laughable. I'm impartial and have no agenda and I just say it as I see it. You and Stephanie are one side and Joggon etc. are on the other...I go my own way.

...and I'm right .

[Rosinka]

Again today the Ukrainians hit a military target in the center of Donetsk...it was a coffee shop...2 people dead

[Stephanie]

I decide who I don't like and then attack them ...

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