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    Quote Originally Posted by Forceuser View Post
    Not many experts expected Ukraine to last a couple of weeks


    Germany unveils list of military equipment and weapons supplied and to be supplied to Ukraine

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html
    was it that Putin did not expect the other nations to get involved the way that they did, he thought he could threaten with Nuclear and scare them off, now I think it would be different in Ukraine if Germany and others had got off their asses at the start and got all these arms to the Ukrainians much sooner,
    Boris is like the Messiah now in Ukraine because of his super support but that only to deflect attention away from major issues at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeeJimmy View Post
    was it that Putin did not expect the other nations to get involved the way that they did, he thought he could threaten with Nuclear and scare them off, now I think it would be different in Ukraine if Germany and others had got off their asses at the start and got all these arms to the Ukrainians much sooner,
    Boris is like the Messiah now in Ukraine because of his super support but that only to deflect attention away from major issues at home.
    I think the lack of action by everyone after he annexed Crimea
    emboldened him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forceuser View Post
    I think the lack of action by everyone after he annexed Crimea
    emboldened him
    true and lack of real action from others so far too, Biden, Scholz and even Macron is still is hesitant about getting out of Putins Gold plated bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeeJimmy View Post
    if Germany and others had got off their asses at the start and got all these arms to the Ukrainians much sooner,
    The problem is they can't, Zalenskyy has asked for something like 1000 Howitzers and 500 tanks, they simply don't have it to give, and even if they did the Russians will still win anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancis View Post
    The problem is they can't, Zalenskyy has asked for something like 1000 Howitzers and 500 tanks, they simply don't have it to give, and even if they did the Russians will still win anyway
    yeah, Britain giving and probably the one most involved but we know why and yes they don't have to give but then don't make promises, Germany for example made told they supply alot more arms etc but didn't really happen, Germany so dependent on Russian fuel, as for Russia winning, I suppose one has to do what you can to protect your country and if you fail at least you give it your best shot, it is sad it has got to this

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    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/202.../hxae-j23.html

    Ukraine bans largest opposition party


    A Ukrainian court has officially banned the activities of the country’s largest opposition party, the Opposition Platform—For Life party.
    The decision was handed down by the Administrative Court of Appeals No. 8 on June 20 in Lviv and effectively upheld President Volodymyr Zelensky’s banning of 11 political parties that Kiev regarded as “anti-Ukrainian” and “collaborationists” earlier in March. The measure was then approved by the Ukrainian parliament in May.
    Ten other pro-Russian and left-wing parties were included in Zelensky’s ban, among them the Socialist Party of Ukraine and the Party of Shariy led by the popular Youtube blogger Anatoly Shariy.
    In addition to legally banning the party’s activities, the court also stated that the party’s property and assets will be confiscated by the State Treasury.
    The banning of the country’s largest opposition party marks the temporary culmination of an undemocratic campaign initiated by the Zelensky government against parties and individuals who could potentially undermine the war that Kiev is waging against Russia on behalf of the imperialist powers.
    Led by oligarch Viktor Medvedchuk, the party controlled 44 out of 450 seats in Ukraine’s parliament, surpassed only by the ruling Servant of the People party of President Volodymyr Zelensky. Prior to Russia’s invasion in February, several opinion polls showed the Russia-aligned party leading hypothetical parliamentary elections or finishing second.
    In eastern and southern regions of Ukraine, Opposition—For Life functioned as the dominant political party at both national and local levels. It was the effective successor to the Party of Regions of former President Viktor Yanukovych. In contrast to his opponents in the oligarchy that, with the heavy backing from US and German imperialism, toppled him in 2014 in a coup, Yanukovich spoke for a faction of the Ukrainian oligarchy that has been seeking to balance between Western imperialism and the Kremlin, and opposed a direct alliance of Ukraine with NATO.
    Prior to 2014, the Party of Regions was the country’s largest political party but it disintegrated after the coup as its members fled the country or joined Opposition Bloc, the pro-Moscow predecessor of the Opposition—For Life party.
    Medvedchuk, the co-founder and head of the Opposition—For Life party, is a billionaire who has long maintained very close ties to the Russian oligarchy and, in particular, the Putin regime.
    However, Medvedechuk’s Opposition—For Life party publicly denounced Russia’s invasion of the country and called for negotiations to quickly end the war. Twenty-three of its national parliament members voluntarily left the party and formed the Platform for Life and Peace party which has pledged to protect Russian-minority rights within Ukraine but distanced itself even further from Medvedchuk and Moscow.
    Throughout its existence, the party supported the implementation of the Minsk agreements, which were intended to end the war in the eastern Donbass region between Russian-backed separatists and the Ukrainian government through a settlement negotiated with French and German imperialism. Despite coming to power in 2019 on vague promises to secure peace, prior to the invasion Zelensky and his staff were openly hostile to the agreements’ implementation, which called for a federated status in the separatist-controlled regions and local elections.
    For over a year prior to the current war, the Zelensky government, at the behest of US imperialism, worked systematically to stamp out the party’s influence, and in February of 2021 undemocratically banned three popular television stations associated with Medvedchuk. At the time, the move was praised by the US Embassy as part of Kiev’s efforts “to counter Russia’s malign influence, in line with Ukrainian law, in defense of its sovereignty and territorial integrity.”
    Later in May 2021 Medvedchuk was arrested and charged with “embezzlement” as well as “high treason” for “subversive activities against Ukraine.” A Ukrainian court placed him under house arrest, where he would remain until the outbreak of full-scale war in February of this year, when he fled.
    On April 12, Medvedchuk was apprehended by Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) while apparently disguised as a Ukrainian soldier and again charged him with treason for supposedly providing Russia with military assistance.
    No evidence has been published indicating how exactly Medvedchuk supposedly collaborated with the Russians. Nor has it been explained why he remained in Kiev days after the attack, putting his life in certain danger, if he really did know of the impending invasion beforehand.
    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has publicly offered Moscow to exchange Medvedchuk for captured Ukrainian soldiers. Moscow has so far publicly refused to discuss the exchange of its supposed stalwart collaborator, but recent reports suggest he could be swapped for British nationals recently captured by separatist forces.
    While under arrest, Medvedchuk has become entangled in the ongoing prosecution of former President Petro Poroshenko, another Zelensky political rival. In May, the SBU released a video in which Medvedchuk accused Poroshenko of enlisting his assistance to illegally purchase a Russian oil pipeline.
    Due to his immense wealth and political influence, Medvedchuk undoubtedly knows much about “where the bodies are buried”—both figuratively and literally in the case of bourgeois Ukrainian politics—and it is likely the Zelensky government will now exploit him to continue its persecution of political enemies.
    Whatever the ultimate fate of Medvedchuk and the remnants of his political party, the banning and state liquidation of oppositional parties exposes the lie that Ukraine is a bulwark of “democracy” that needs to be defended in a “just war” against totalitarian Russia.
    In reality, Ukraine is controlled by a section of the reactionary ultra-wealthy oligarchy that has emerged out of the Stalinist destruction of the Soviet Union and which has chosen an open alliance with NATO against Russia. It is now demonstrating with the war that it is willing and able to kill hundreds of thousands of its own citizens to maintain its rule and pro-NATO orientation. According to officials of the ruling party, between 200 and 500 members of the Ukrainian armed forces are dying every single day in the war in east Ukraine. There are also growing reports of desertions on both sides of the conflict.
    The banning of the Opposition—For Life party and other oppositional parties makes clear that the imperialist-backed Zelensky government will stop at nothing to crush opposition to its war—above all when it emerges within the working class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forceuser View Post
    Are you going to repost all your old posts?

    is that journalist you said Zelenskyy had murdered going to be murdered and *spoiler alert!!
    actually be alive and well again?
    very exciting!
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    this is a forum on an escort advertising website , not politics.ie or human rights website
    none of whats posted here matters ,
    neither Vlad or Zelensky are waiing for posters opinions
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    then don't click on the thread lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deleted View Post
    I didn't for months, yet I am a human being and wanted to respond.. can you judge me for that?
    i suppose not

    don't worry,i'm going on holiday in a fortnight for 3 weeks and prob
    won't be posting and the thread will probably die on its ass anyway lol
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