Afghanistan

[gonzo76]

Khaddafi / Gaddafi ( Mu'ammar Al-Qadhdhāfī ) of Lybia had plenty Options ,

yet His personal bodyguard outfit was an Elite all Female unit .

Highly trained , implicitly trusted to protect the head of state .

Women Can fight .

Look at Kurd female fighters -

Lol didn't do him much good in the end did it

[gonzo76]

: I wouldn’t consider having a military career in defense of one’s homeland

and way of life , as throwing away their lives .

Afghani men had not much to lose by discarding their uniforms and melting

right back into the patriarchal society .

Women had / have Everything to lose .

They would’ve fought - quite likely Coalition forces would’ve been able to

leave much sooner and leave the country in capable hands .

: all those female activist , female educators , female social workers , female doctors

would’ve been able to make a much greater impact over the preceding years and

the country’s girls would be Safe , free to study , free to work .

300,000 mother tigers fighting for and protecting their ‘young’ , protecting their

own lives .

Afghan would still be standing .

Using the military as a means for stable political government is not a realistic policy. Regardless whether it is staffed by men, women, children, patriots, mercenaries or zealots.

[Stephanie]

America spent $83billion training and equipping the Afghan security forces.

We shouldn’t have been there so long ;

We bet on the wrong ‘horse’ in Afghan society .

I am dumbfounded at such atrocious miscalculation , misreading of

local sentiment , lack of ‘on the ground’ intelligence or misinterpreting of info —

or plain Magical Thinking .

My heart just sank when I heard Jalalabad gave in without a single shot fired .

Sunday morning ( our time ) Taliban was still some 30 miles ( kms ? ) from Kabul .

By that evening they were at the gates . My sorrow is bottomless for the women

and girls ;


In meantime do Not forget it was TFG that made the ‘Deal’ with the Taliban ;

TFG had made a deal with the Taliban and not included the Afghan govt in it .

He pressured for the release of Abdul Ghani Baradar - who sat 10 yrs in jail -

- and is now poised to become the next Afghan ‘president’ .

TFG had pressured for the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners - who readily and

swiftly joined up with the rest . Do Not forget that .

Biden had not much choice but to see it through . —- but my God what an

absolute clusterFx ill prepared mismanaged pathetic show for America to

replay a ‘Saigon-style’ harried headless withdrawal , scrambling to save its

own citizens while abandoning the many Tens of Thousands of locals who

had been integral to US / Coalition forces to even be alive ! To make any dent !

All the Interpreters who saved countless coalition lives ; members of security ;

and all their families :: now they are actively being Hunted by the Taliban :

: despite proclaiming their ‘peaceful’ intentions and promises of no reprisals ,

in May ( June ? ) they have hunted down and Beheaded a former Interpreter

who assisted the US .

This withdrawal and the abandonment of our local allies is such stain on our

Nation , a generation of tears and good deeds wouldn’t and won’t wash it away .


How could Anyone ever trust us !? It is a tragedy on so many levels , my heart is breaking .

[Stephanie]

Using the military as a means for stable political government is not a realistic policy. Regardless whether it is staffed by men, women, children, patriots, mercenaries or zealots.

It would have been their own national military .

Work it out .

[IDF2]

Khaddafi / Gaddafi ( Mu'ammar Al-Qadhdhāfī ) of Lybia had plenty Options ,

yet His personal bodyguard outfit was an Elite all Female unit .

Highly trained , implicitly trusted to protect the head of state .

Women Can fight .

Look at Kurd female fighters -

And the American forces made short work of them. Frightening attitude to human life you have. Maybe you think the bacha bazi should throw down their lives against the Taliban? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

[gonzo76]

It would have been their own national military .

Work it out .

Sure, ask Aung San Suu Kyi how that's working out. Amongst the many other cases.

[IDF2]

We shouldn’t have been there so long ;

We bet on the wrong ‘horse’ in Afghan society .

I am dumbfounded at such atrocious miscalculation , misreading of

local sentiment , lack of ‘on the ground’ intelligence or misinterpreting of info —

or plain Magical Thinking .

My heart just sank when I heard Jalalabad gave in without a single shot fired .

Sunday morning ( our time ) Taliban was still some 30 miles ( kms ? ) from Kabul .

By that evening they were at the gates . My sorrow is bottomless for the women

and girls ;


In meantime do Not forget it was TFG that made the ‘Deal’ with the Taliban ;

TFG had made a deal with the Taliban and not included the Afghan govt in it .

He pressured for the release of Abdul Ghani Baradar - who sat 10 yrs in jail -

- and is now poised to become the next Afghan ‘president’ .

TFG had pressured for the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners - who readily and

swiftly joined up with the rest . Do Not forget that .

Biden had not much choice but to see it through . —- but my God what an

absolute clusterFx ill prepared mismanaged pathetic show for America to

replay a ‘Saigon-style’ harried headless withdrawal , scrambling to save its

own citizens while abandoning the many Tens of Thousands of locals who

had been integral to US / Coalition forces to even be alive ! To make any dent !

All the Interpreters who saved countless coalition lives ; members of security ;

and all their families :: now they are actively being Hunted by the Taliban :

: despite proclaiming their ‘peaceful’ intentions and promises of no reprisals ,

in May ( June ? ) they have hunted down and Beheaded a former Interpreter

who assisted the US .

This withdrawal and the abandonment of our local allies is such stain on our

Nation , a generation of tears and good deeds wouldn’t and won’t wash it away .


How could Anyone ever trust us !? It is a tragedy on so many levels , my heart is breaking .

That's a big turnaround from ''We should’ve trained 300,000 Women Soldiers / Security Forces'' etc. As I said schizophrenic America.

[gonzo76]

That's a big turnaround from ''We should’ve trained 300,000 Women Soldiers / Security Forces'' etc. As I said schizophrenic America.

They shouldn't have been there in the first place, but having gone there, to up sticks and move on is a colossal failure. Instigated by Trump, Biden just following through, but I fail to accept he couldn't have reversed the decision.

[Stephanie]

Sure, ask Aung San Suu Kyi how that's working out. Amongst the many other cases.

What would be your Better Solution to an unwinnable 20 yr war — stay another 20 years ?

[ber]

The challenging thing now is what does this mean for the future of the world? The Taliban never really disassociated themselves from Al Queada will they now rise their head again and will we have large terrorism incidents all over the world a thing which luckily in last few years we havent had on a large scale with mostly isolated incidents
Afghanistan is going to be so dysfunctional as you will still have huge internal struggles tribal and otherwise
Which will be an ideal breeding ground for extremist groups not to mention what will the reaction of the likes of Iran be to the new landscape
Worrying times ahead I think.