Let's Have a Debate

[90sGunther]

Is the person who buys a can of coke off their local shop for a refreshing drink part of the problem?
Their local shop owner is a nice guy who has never killed anyone, bit somewhere in the production and distribution chain people have been intimidated or shot or lives have been made miserable.

Colombia: The Coca-Cola Story
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While I completely agree (we cause suffering without knowing it), I think arguments like these are absurd. In order to avoid being a part of the suffering, one must have perfect knowledge of the causal chains of history or practice extreme asceticism. We have complex lives and finite recourses, the best we can do is to not inflict suffering directly.

This form of argument can be applied to almost anything, even something as seemingly innocent as a well liked, relatively cheap can of carbonated water; although due to it's absurdity, it is frequently trotted out for topical issues like crime, drugs and animal welfare in a vain attempt to kill demand by shaming the buyer.

I agree with you, but I think if the opening poster had wanted a real debate rather than the mostly predictable claps on the back that are the norm here, he should have posed his question on Peoples republic of Cork, or boards.ie or even reddit. It’s preaching to the choir here.
At least on one of those forums he might be called a filthy lecherous old man exploiting vulnerable young women if that's the sort of thing he was after

[john40]

I'm not sure how many of you will see this. I just wanted to say thank you to those who shared advice and very kind words.

Unlike what a few people thought, I didn't start this post for a 'Pat on the back', or for sympathy. Neither did I think I had to be exclusively horny or needing companionship before I could go to see an escort. I started it to try and get peoples opinions on what they thought of where people like me find ourselves. I also wished to have a reasonable conversation without getting nasty or personal. I can assure you, I'm not a lecherous old man who exploits anyone.

As I mentioned before. I'm so lucky to have met many fantastic girls over the 20 odd years and was honoured to have called a number of them close friends after getting to know them over a number of years. So much so we were able to enjoy dinner dates, not as bookings but as friends.

I can only hope they're all safe, well and enjoying life because they helped me enjoy mine.

I will leave it there, thank you again

Stay safe everyone 😀

[Andrew2800]

If you want to get laid then just go for it. Life is short. You don't have to justify it to anyone.

[WeeJimmy]

Just wondering what peoples views are on the following.

I'm a 48 year old guy with a mild physical disability (I have to walk with crutches due to a mild form of cerebral palsy). For approx 25 years up to 2016 I was seeing escorts at least once a month sometimes more often. I just want to have as ordinary a life as everyone else. I've never had a relationship (except one which I wouldn't even call a real relationship) and I'm most probably never going to have one.

Most of my friends growing up were and still are girls, I'm very conscious of sounding condescending (I don't mean to be) when I say this but I'd never do anything to hurt any of them or anyone else for that matter. I've met some amazing girls over the years through EI and have had fairly close friendships with a few until they left the business.

I haven't visited anyone in the 3 years since the last girl I was seeing for about 5 years left in 2018, English Sarah, she was an amazing person and I got to enjoy many hours in her great company including a few weekends away. I used to get extremely nervous each time, even when it got to a stage where I was seeing her every month after a number of years so the arrival of the new laws here haven't helped me and hence why I haven't ventured since she left.

There were times over the years when I would go for an appointment and straight after I would feel guilty or disappointed and think "how could I do this to my family and those that mean so much to me". Don't ask me why.

There are only 3 people in my life that know and they are people whom I always felt would understand if and when I did tell them. Thankfully, it was exactly the case and they said "good for you". If only this country would move on and be more open. I too agree that something needs to be done about the scourge of trafficking and the exploitation of girls in the business but for those who chose it as a career, they should be supported and helped and not demonised.

I'm not even sure what I want from this debate but it's just not a subject you can discuss openly in this country.

Just interested to see what some of you think of the above. More thoughts might come to mind later and if they do I will add to this

Stay safe everyone

Why not become a Sugar Daddy, John? if you feel guilty there loads of girls out there that love sex and for a few bob you got regular normal girls that are up for everything.
Become to know them better and you got freebies, their choice so no guilt here.
Thing is you can shout it from the rooftops and your friends be envy of you getting so much horizontal fun

[90sGunther]

It fascinates me when people who truly believe they are part of the problem are still able to visit. You know, it’s not like using plastic. Or, is it? I’m not a man. If you think you’re the problem, how do you overcome the guilt? Is is the horn or craving companionship, which is stronger?

Yes, they are part of the problem, and at a local level.
So is the guy who buys weed from organised-crime dealer, and at a local level.
The guy who grows his own isn't part of any problem and neither are the people who buy it from him.

I agree with this too which is in contrast to me agreeing with escortinspector but there you go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I also think people who mindlessly shop Amazon update their iphones religiously and immediately and that sort of consumer sheep behaviour are part of a problem too. The escortinspector cited Coke before but I think at that level you have to say they are a registered multinational corporation and primary policing of them is up to governments, which will never happen but again, there you go.

Perhaps people who buy from the organised crime dealer prefer their brand of weed to the guy who grows and sells locally, or perhaps they aren't into weed and prefer c*$ke. So guys who prefer an exotic escort who is more likely working for an agency might rationalise it to themselves by saying she looks happy and she doesn't seem trafficked or coerced. They might be right or wrong. The horn is a powerful urge.

[halfbiscuit]

When you say "I've never had a relationship (except one which I wouldn't even call a real relationship) and I'm most probably never going to have one" is that a decision you've made? Or do you think 'no woman would have me'. If you've decided, then that's the end of it. If you think there is no woman with whom you could have a relationship, then I think that's very debatable.

[rockonallnite]

Let's all enjoy the music.

And the lyrics sum it up.

Live and let live. Life is too short to worry too much.



"Bad Boys Running Wild"

Out in the streets
The dogs are on the run
The cats are all in heart
Out in the streets
Snakes are all around you
Dirty rats are on their way
They control you and they'll make you play

Out in the night
Glaring eyes in darkness
Tigers wanna fight
Out in the night
Spiders all around you
Spinning webs and make you pray
Tie you up and you can't get away

Bad boys running wild
If you don't play along with their games
Bad boys running wild
And you better get out of their way

Out in the streets
The dogs are on the run
The cats are all in heat
Out in the night
Spiders all around you
Spinning webs and make you pray
Tie you up and you can't get away

Bad boys running wild
If you don't play along with their games
Bad boys running wild
And you better get out of their way
Bad boys running wild
If you don't play along with their games
Bad boys running wild
And you better get out of their way
Get out of their way


Keep on rocking!!!