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    Done. Now if we can only get our clowns in the Dáil to listen to us.
    for as long as i can remember, i always wanted to be a gangster ....

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    Done.

    Funny how the online survey gives you the option to report yourself as a buyer of sex. Which is illegal in this jurisdiction - but not others. It probably seemed like a good idea to include it (the survey seems pretty well designed), but I wonder how many people actually clicked it.

    #DecrimNow

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    REVIEW WILL SHOW THAT THE CURRENT LAW IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT

    Full article here: sexworkersallianceireland.org/2020/07/press-release-review-will-show-that-the-current-law-is-a-failed-experiment/
    You wont know, until you try!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagane00 View Post
    REVIEW WILL SHOW THAT THE CURRENT LAW IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT

    Full article here: sexworkersallianceireland.org/2020/07/press-release-review-will-show-that-the-current-law-is-a-failed-experiment/
    you can't believe these articles and SWAI don't exactly tell it how it is.
    I wish SWAI would quit pushing this, the Nordic Model but the Nordic Model never really got off the ground in Ireland, if it did many of us clients in Ireland would have been arrested and none of us wants that.
    It needs to be tackled from a different angle

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    But has the current law failed in its objectives?
    It was designed to make life hell on earth for sex workers as was well flagged it would do by concerned parties in advance!
    And what has happened?
    Any trafficking convictions under it?
    Ride them on the beaches!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Libertarian View Post
    But has the current law failed in its objectives?
    It was designed to make life hell on earth for sex workers as was well flagged it would do by concerned parties in advance!
    And what has happened?
    Any trafficking convictions under it?
    Nobody convicted. The reason? Nobody wants to talk to the police. Why? It's illegal to procure sex (clients who have witnessed a dodgy set up), and it's illegal to operate out of a brothel (a genuine sex worker with good information but wants security of others around).
    For a poster on here claiming to know more about the reality on the ground than the SWAI is laughable. Decriminalisation is the way forward if the industry is to be cleaned up.

    Regulation and verification works for the pharmaceutical industry, why would anyone on an operating table chose a drug dealer with heroine over an anesathist with licensed products?
    Why would pushing any industry underground make it any safer?

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    Sex workers' group denied funding by Department of Justice

    A leading sex workers rights group was told it could not access government funding unless it accepted that "prostitution is inherently exploitative of vulnerable people".

    Sex Workers Alliance Ireland enquired about emergency funding from the Department of Justice after it gave similar funding to the leading "End Demand" advocate organisation in Ireland.

    In reply to its inquiry, a Department spokesperson said: "I want to make it clear that funding is not available for NGOs whose objectives and philosophy is opposed to these values and principles.

    "If your organisation considers that you do share our understanding of prostitution as inherently exploitative of vulnerable people, then it is of course open to you to submit a formal application for funding.”



    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/a...medium=twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwin530 View Post
    Sex workers' group denied funding by Department of Justice

    A leading sex workers rights group was told it could not access government funding unless it accepted that "prostitution is inherently exploitative of vulnerable people".

    Sex Workers Alliance Ireland enquired about emergency funding from the Department of Justice after it gave similar funding to the leading "End Demand" advocate organisation in Ireland.

    In reply to its inquiry, a Department spokesperson said: "I want to make it clear that funding is not available for NGOs whose objectives and philosophy is opposed to these values and principles.

    "If your organisation considers that you do share our understanding of prostitution as inherently exploitative of vulnerable people, then it is of course open to you to submit a formal application for funding.”



    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/a...medium=twitter
    that really says it all doesn't it!?

    "do we actually care about the welfare of sex workers? nah!"
    "do we care about Bodily autonomy or personal rights or freedoms? nah!"

    "we care that you agree with our view and do exactly as we tell u too!"

    democracy my ass!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mij View Post
    Nobody convicted. The reason? Nobody wants to talk to the police. Why? It's illegal to procure sex (clients who have witnessed a dodgy set up), and it's illegal to operate out of a brothel (a genuine sex worker with good information but wants security of others around).
    For a poster on here claiming to know more about the reality on the ground than the SWAI is laughable. Decriminalisation is the way forward if the industry is to be cleaned up.

    Regulation and verification works for the pharmaceutical industry, why would anyone on an operating table chose a drug dealer with heroine over an anesathist with licensed products?
    Why would pushing any industry underground make it any safer?
    Totally untrue and why you telling this as helps no one at all, you never answered any of my points in any way.
    People are talking to the police, maybe you and few other maybe not for your own reasons but most of the people including escorts are talking to the police if they hear of trafficking or abuse,
    You just dismiss the reality of the situation and that is not positive for anyone or this industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Libertarian View Post
    But has the current law failed in its objectives?
    It was designed to make life hell on earth for sex workers as was well flagged it would do by concerned parties in advance!
    And what has happened?
    Any trafficking convictions under it?
    you are correct, its failed because it never got off the ground in Ireland, compare it to other European countries that adopted the same model and you will see quite a staggering set of results much different to Ireland.
    it was introduced to target trafficking, Ireland is the worst in Europe for tackling Trafficking and coming under immerse pressure, with BREXIT this will get much worse for Ireland,
    they thought if you can deter the client who pays the cash you can reduce trafficking, it never got out of first gear while I was in Ireland and still has not, I believe its up to escorts and clients to change it and they can and some are doing it for real, at present and as I mentioned in previous posts a difference for the better can be had for all of us if youall pull together

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