Lockdown

[Palatine]

I've been talking to a lady in her late 80's this morning. She is in good health, living independently but very frustrated and scared.
She is very aware that what good years she has left are scarce. Afraid she might need to go into a hospital or nursing home. Does not want to end up on a ventilator struggling for breath.
Facilities for the active elderly are all closed. She needs to get out for walks or she will lose her strength and seize up, but when out and about, there's nowhere to sit down and have a cup of tea or a bowl of soup. Her daughters try to make sure that she gets 2 visits a day but there is only 3 of them.
Think about the elderly in your area. Not a good idea to call around but there's no harm in making a phone call, ask if they need any jobs doing or anything from the shop. I was simply calling to say that I could drop in a few bags of logs and I was on the phone 2 hours.

Fair play.

[Dub Lad]

saw my GP last week he is anti lock down it does more harm than good so whats the point
Most who want it because they are alright jack or jill type work for hse, goverment,media and well sorted retired folk fcuk everybody else.
If you are high risk and eldry protect your self stop scare mongering the people dying from this is sad there lives where shortent through no fault of there own
No Lockdown please, stay safe everyone

Ok listen, it is much more nuanced than locking away the vulnerbale or protecting them.

Some vulnerable people need carers to help them up out of bed, if the virus is rampant in society how do you protect the carers exactly, how do you transport them from client to client? Alot of carers would you believe are students here, they work other jobs, they use public transport and they live in cramped conditions.

[TonyB]

A person can have an underlying condition such as asthma, managed it their entire life and they then contract covid19, now the asthma is a huge problem.

Paris has had to go into lock down due to 40% of the ICU beds are full of covid patients. Ecuador, at the hight of the pandemic the streets lined with dead abandoned bodies, where are the dead? Everywhere, but perhaps you don't want to see it, as it doesn't fit your narrative

comparing a pandemic from 100 years ago is pointless, science has moved on.

I'm not comparing to 100 years ago.
But the media constantly do.

Point is we can't lock down forever.
There is a point, and I would argue we are there, that we need to get on with it.
There isn't a cure, live with it.

Sweden didn't lock down, neither did Austria, they are doing better than us.


I guess that doesn't agree with your narrative.
Look at the actual fugures

[TonyB]

Our right to travel has to be balanced against the right of the vulnerable to be protected by the state.

The two aren't connected
Or more to.the point shouldn't be

[TonyB]

The definition of a pandemic is not based on how many people die. It is defined as the global spread of an infectious disease. Which this is.

CSO figures lag but I know people in there and they say the overall excess deaths are up.

As for saying someone with terminal cancer dying with covid rather than from it, I ask for references.

We might as well say people don't die of heart disease, it is fatal cardiac arrests that are the cause.

Similarly cancer doesn't kill it's organ failure.

Don't conflate the contributing factors to death with the mechanism of death.

Excess.deaths are not up, they are lower than previous years. I'll offer CSO proof.

Dying with Covid is the same as dying from Covid until.proven by autopsy.the daily count is the first figure. I can link a HSE doctor on Newstalk when I find it.

Stupid comments.

People will die..I've already personally seen one marriage breakdown as the husband lost his job.
What is the individual cost?

Lockdown.
Just look at the cost. Wouldn't it be better to spend than money on health care and concentrate the spend?

My point is the same. This is here, we either live with it or lockdown.

Lockdowns are a joke when Gardai won't stop a house party, and they won't, but they organise a checkpoint on the Naas road.
Where I might add they have no interest in doing anything other that paying lip service to it

[TonyB]

A person can have an underlying condition such as asthma, managed it their entire life and they then contract covid19, now the asthma is a huge problem.

Paris has had to go into lock down due to 40% of the ICU beds are full of covid patients. Ecuador, at the hight of the pandemic the streets lined with dead abandoned bodies, where are the dead? Everywhere, but perhaps you don't want to see it, as it doesn't fit your narrative

comparing a pandemic from 100 years ago is pointless, science has moved on.

And people die.
Sweden and Austria didn't lock down and they are currently doing better than us.

So. What should we do?
Keep locking down or learn to live with it?
We can't rely on a cure

[TonyB]

I'm wondering the impact on booking an escort next week.
birthday...want to treat myself to an experience or two.
im nervous and careful as is....with lockdown in NI now from friday /monday ....i sort of worry how difficult it will be to get a booking....or morally...if i should be making a booking...

I say go for it
You'll be a long time dead.
It appears those with a narrative have their own agenda to frighten you out of living

[TonyB]

My neighbour was away, as in abroad, for 3 months and came back about 1 month ago.
No self isolation
She's away again from today.
I know 2 people going away on holiday.
What a joke.
And I'm potentially being told I can't go to work.
But I could have a house party and nothing will happen

[TonyB]

https://youtu.be/D0KyWBksWrU

Watch that.
Help me out why it's wrong.
Makes sense to me

[gonzo76]

I'm not comparing to 100 years ago.
But the media constantly do.

Point is we can't lock down forever.
There is a point, and I would argue we are there, that we need to get on with it.
There isn't a cure, live with it.

Sweden didn't lock down, neither did Austria, they are doing better than us.


I guess that doesn't agree with your narrative.
Look at the actual fugures

You did exactly compare it to 100 years ago when you declared it wasn't a pandemic because 300 million aren't dead.

Austria locked down extremely tightly, more so than we did, I work with People there and they were far more restricted than we were.

Sweden, for the press it gets about not locking down, is not entirely true, they just did not lock down to the same extent that other countries did, and their results sadly reflect this.

If you tell us again to look at the "actual figures" then you better provide them because it's clear you're not looking are the same info as the rest of us.