has Trump just ignited the ME

[mearse]

America is strange place that never made sence to me and what worrying but not surprizing is Trump will be voted back into office

[Stephanie]

I don't agree with you.

The whole region is destabilised by Iran. Suleimani was chiefly responsible for this.

500,000 million Syrian lives lost from Suleimani backing Assad in keeping supply routes open to fund and arm Assad.
The Israeli civilians targeted through his funding of Hezbollah, and another terrorist group Hamas.
Hezbollah were shooting protestors in Bagdad just a week before his killing, These civilians were protesting at Iran's attempted colonisation of the area.

Murder worked in Syria, Suleimani again used murder in Iraq to achieve his and Iranian leaders aims.

Saudi Arabia responded with economic sanctions to Iran’s disastrous behaviour in the region.
Iran conducted missile attacks on Saudi Oil fields and biggest oil refinery in an attempt to open talks. It worked and a compromised was achieved.
So Suleimani achieved a success with his attacks and turned his attentions to the American Embassy in Bagdad not to mention numerous Americans based in Iraq. Again in an attempt to bully the Americans into allowing Suleimani to open supply chains to carry on what is pretty much the genocide of nations in that region.
And by the way the American's are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government.

Yemem terrorist groups Al-Qaeda, ISIS is funded by Iran.

Iran is the world biggest state sponsor of terrorism.

Iran seized a British civilian tanker. They wouldn't release it until their tanker in Gibraltar.
Their tanker was seized for violation of EU sanctions in EU terrority for sending supplies to Assad so they could continue killing Syrians.

Trump appears to have achieved callng Iran's bluff. The American's had no choice in my opinion but to slap this murdering state sponsored bully down.
So it's not the American's or outsiders distabilising the area, it's Tehran.

That is a very simplistic take on a quite complex issue ..

: But Whatever makes you sleep better at nigh 👍 .

[Stephanie]

I keep saying Obama ( and I am fond of him and of what he aimed to achieve !! )

majorly dropped the ball on Isis — Before Sindar !

It was a case of either sh*t or get off the pot ! :

: he sat on that god forsaken pot for THREE MONTHS before he made a move - at which point was too late .



‘Zero hour’ : move / militarily engage When Iraqi Govt. Begged him to do so = Win .

Isis Established ‘Caliphate’ = talk to them on the qt : you Leave Us alone , we leave You alone = win .

He ( Obama ) did Neither .

Three months later in 2014 Isis attacked the Non-Muslim people ( Yazidi ) and slaughtered their men ;

took their girl children , teen girls and women as spoils of War , took them as sex slaves ..

Is when Finally Obama ‘moved’ .. : Too Little Too Late .

It was aerial bombardment , so many lives lost ! So many Innocents !

: and he lost the Momentum ! : from then on , Obama was always on hind feet.

A tragic mistake .

: The Whole Region to be handed over to Russian influence in no more than a handful of years .

Tragic , and We will be paying the price for it for a generation come ..

[TonyB]

I think it's well considered by most that Obama got it right.
Trump happened across getting it right for possibly the wrong reasons.

I really do believe it's nothing to do with "tit for tat"

Ignoring the middle East is the same as stating we should have ignored Hitler.

And I really do find those images of beheadings most distasteful. Borderline upsetting.
Horrendous what goes on and some suggest we ignore it.

Not getting at Stephanie; I just don't agree with her but value her input

[Kenton]

I keep saying Obama ( and I am fond of him and of what he aimed to achieve !! )

majorly dropped the ball on Isis — Before Sindar !

It was a case of either sh*t or get off the pot ! :

: he sat on that god forsaken pot for THREE MONTHS before he made a move - at which point was too late .



‘Zero hour’ : move / militarily engage When Iraqi Govt. Begged him to do so = Win .

Isis Established ‘Caliphate’ = talk to them on the qt : you Leave Us alone , we leave You alone = win .

He ( Obama ) did Neither .

Three months later in 2014 Isis attacked the Non-Muslim people ( Yazidi ) and slaughtered their men ;

took their girl children , teen girls and women as spoils of War , took them as sex slaves ..

Is when Finally Obama ‘moved’ .. : Too Little Too Late .

It was aerial bombardment , so many lives lost ! So many Innocents !

: and he lost the Momentum ! : from then on , Obama was always on hind feet.

A tragic mistake .

: The Whole Region to be handed over to Russian influence in no more than a handful of years .

Tragic , and We will be paying the price for it for a generation come ..

We're paying the price for a poxy middle eastern policy now. This entire quagmire is down to decades of America and Europe interferring in a part of the world they have no business being in, why would it be any worse if Russia expands its influence there? No one should be there end of. Its a complex part of the world for various reasons only a fool would think interference can do anything but cause more chaos.

[Stephanie]

We're paying the price for a poxy middle eastern policy now. This entire quagmire is down to decades of America and Europe interferring in a part of the world they have no business being in,

why would it be any worse if Russia expands its influence there?

No one should be there end of. Its a complex part of the world for various reasons only a fool would think interference can do anything but cause more chaos.

Why the heck should We Care !!??

: Russia is and has always been an autocracy , much much closer aligned with ‘China’ and Their ideology

than with any ‘Western’ societies - those that espouse Civil Liberties , Personal Freedoms , Right to Dissent ,

Right of Assembly , Due Course of Law , RULE OF LAW above all else !!


: in My World Those are the Values I hold High !

: in My World - Those are the values that allows Us all to exist , and breathe Free !

: in My World - Those are the Very values of a society that allow the gay and lesbian and bi and

the in-between ‘Groups’ ( that YOU also Enjoy !!) to Exist ! To Live !



: Look at Putin’s crack-down on gay rights over the last Decade . Do you Care ??

[Stephanie]

I think it's well considered by most that Obama got it right.
Trump happened across getting it right for possibly the wrong reasons.

I really do believe it's nothing to do with "tit for tat"

Ignoring the middle East is the same as stating we should have ignored Hitler.

And I really do find those images of beheadings most distasteful. Borderline upsetting.
Horrendous what goes on and some suggest we ignore it.

Not getting at Stephanie; I just don't agree with her but value her input

I appreciate your PM x Thank You x will reply when have a moment xx

: to your posts , And to the communique xxx

[Kenton]

Why the heck should We Care !!??

: Russia is and has always been an autocracy , much much closer aligned with ‘China’ and Their ideology

than with any ‘Western’ societies - those that espouse Civil Liberties , Personal Freedoms , Right to Dissent ,

Right of Assembly , Due Course of Law , RULE OF LAW above all else !!


: in My World Those are the Values I hold High !

: in My World - Those are the values that allows Us all to exist , and breathe Free !

: in My World - Those are the Very values of a society that allow the gay and lesbian and bi and

the in-between ‘Groups’ ( that YOU also Enjoy !!) to Exist ! To Live !



: Look at Putin’s crack-down on gay rights over the last Decade . Do you Care ??

The Middle East is already one of the most repressive areas in the world in regards to all those things you mentioned so please tell me how Russian influence could possibly make it any worse? No values will over come the religion of the region.

[joggon]

[Harrybigtoe]

Before i head out._.´It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails his duty.In either event its unpatriotic not to tell the truth‘._._._.somehow i dont think he would want an orange head beside him on mount rushmore.

Theodore Roosevelt ... Eh !!
He could be evicted.