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    Quote Originally Posted by teachertim View Post
    But the reality is that if the judge thinks someone is guilty they will conflict. 'Reasonable doubt' is so subjective
    It's not.

    Unless they can show that (a) sexual contact happened, and (b) money changed hands, then the client is not guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
    dont be fooled mr sweet it happens on this site too - the " doing money" programme is mirrored all over this country, only behind close doors using more "modern" techniques. girls arent going to rat them out, and the pimps use smoke mirrors
    looks like i hit a sensitive spot with this I've got a red bar. the truth hurts LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by teachertim View Post
    Where does a judge have to 'show' that?
    As I already explained in a previous comment, criminal law requires proof beyond all reasonable doubt. The burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt, not on the accused to prove innocence. Therefore, they need to show (a) money changed hands, and (b) sexual contact happened. If they can't show that, then you're assumed innocent.

    In District Court they just give a verdict and move on. In theory you are right , but not in practice
    If they give a verdict and move on, the verdict will be one of innocence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CANALI View Post
    Nothing grey about it..... the new law is as 'black and white' as it gets... purchasing sexual services from anyone is now a criminal offence... doesn't matter who the person is.... trafficked; coerced; working willingly; or your pretty next door neighbour... !!!... if it's proven you paid then you're 'screwed' .... I think there's a motto there... ''Screw and be Screwed''.........
    I normally pay escorts that I know well, after the event. Does that help?

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    Is it fair to say it is probably safer to visit an escort in a hotel now, as opposed to some random flat?

    Also could consider bringing two phones, if you have one. One you use to confirm the call, the other one there are a decoy?

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    Wonder is one safer with mature escorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHappyFox View Post
    Is it fair to say it is probably safer to visit an escort in a hotel now, as opposed to some random flat?
    Maybe, maybe not. The advantage of a hotel is that they have higher footfall, so an individual doesn't stand out. On the other hand, reception staff will be watching everyone come into the building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKnight View Post
    YES SOME Punter08 But do you really think those in an open relationship want this sort of publicity either, no, and if pointing things out here can help escorts (new clients too)take precautions to protect themselves and their business it is a good thing
    Tbf if it was me i wouldn't care. I stopped caring about what people thought of me a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
    looks like i hit a sensitive spot with this I've got a red bar. the truth hurts LOL
    It happens. Never worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teachertim View Post
    You're not addressing the point I am making at all.
    Actually, I did.

    In theory have to 'show' what you say. You are 100% correct but in practice the judge just listens to the evidence and if they think you are guilt they convict. You repeating the theory doesn't change the reality. A judge does not have to produce a detailed document describing how they came to their conclusion and that it is beyond reasonable doubt.
    If that happens, then you appeal against the sentence, which you will easily win. Then the judge looks like an idiot for making the wrong decision in the first place.

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