I was 1 of the 36 in Operation Quest

[JAMESCORK]

Ah gents... stop the petty bickering...

Firstly... Jinxed gives the impression of being a person that relishes looking down their nose on punters, and certainly not a seasoned escort visitor, and for me not to be taken seriously...

Im not reading all the pages posted here, can somebody tell me of the 36, if there have been convictions? I dont think there have been, or will be, but who knows.

If this is a legit account of an approach by the Gardai, the Gardai and their methods are not convincing me they want to catch guys actually "in the act"
and personally not concerning me. Any guy that is primed to their line of questioning is grand. To catch a guy in the act they would need to knock on the door and confront him there,
in situ. They seem to be basing their operation on waiting outside and approaching anybody suspect that they think may have visited an escort in the block they are monitoring
and stopping him, relying on the punter being "caught in the headlights" and admitting everything. Their tactic of "we only want to make sure the girl is not trafficked"
is blatant entrapment. Shut up and admit nothing!!!. They seem to think they can stay put in their warm branch car, and wait for fools to give them a result. Why dont they knock on doors??? Interesting.

Will they keep this up? Is this "operation" just a one off? Who's to know. I feel doubtful it will be repeated again soon tho.
Has there ever been a raid to date where the punter was actually caught in the act, on site? Dont think so.

Lads.... Stick for a while to established girl. Stick to hotel girls maybe. All is still grand IMO.

[Roderik]

Northwood apartments... Shit. :/

[Einstein II]

Ah gents... stop the petty bickering...

Firstly... Jinxed gives the impression of being a person that relishes looking down their nose on punters, and certainly not a seasoned escort visitor, and for me not to be taken seriously...

Im not reading all the pages posted here, can somebody tell me of the 36, if there have been convictions? I dont think there have been, or will be, but who knows.

If this is a legit account of an approach by the Gardai, the Gardai and their methods are not convincing me they want to catch guys actually "in the act"
and personally not concerning me. Any guy that is primed to their line of questioning is grand. To catch a guy in the act they would need to knock on the door and confront him there,
in situ. They seem to be basing their operation on waiting outside and approaching anybody suspect that they think may have visited an escort in the block they are monitoring
and stopping him, relying on the punter being "caught in the headlights" and admitting everything. Their tactic of "we only want to make sure the girl is not trafficked"
is blatant entrapment. Shut up and admit nothing!!!. They seem to think they can stay put in their warm branch car, and wait for fools to give them a result. Why dont they knock on doors??? Interesting.

Will they keep this up? Is this "operation" just a one off? Who's to know. I feel doubtful it will be repeated again soon tho.
Has there ever been a raid to date where the punter was actually caught in the act, on site? Dont think so.

Lads.... Stick for a while to established girl. Stick to hotel girls maybe. All is still grand IMO.

Its Operation Quest James so not a one off, it was setup so many years ago and still going today. The tactic is to try and prosecute a few clients, the 36 look good on paper and shows they are doing something to stop it
I firmly think as others mentioned that it is to get their figures on 'Guys paying for sex' up to scratch and to shut up others but good advice there on sticking together and seeing only established girls in hotels as Ruhama would love to see us at each others throats and dont give them the satisfaction

[Janko]

This is a good forum for Ireland and appreciate it the advice given here by JAMESCORK, Tonyb. Stonie, Stephanie and what great advice The Libertarian has, great advice and have now taken their good advice and shall when in Ireland only now meet with Established Independent Escorts in Hotels,

[MassiveFerguson]

This is a good forum for Ireland and appreciate it the advice given here by JAMESCORK, Tonyb. Stonie, Stephanie and what great advice The Libertarian has, great advice and have now taken their good advice and shall when in Ireland only now meet with Established Independent Escorts in Hotels,

Wow,you're so red like me and gilly and danny.

[HairyPotter]

Could been me, I actually spotted the car parked not fair from the apartments. There two ways into this location and I always take the top way as view is better.
I had an appointment with an escort there. I called the escort and let her know what was going on. She did not seem bothered by it and told me to call her back in 50 minutes as had another client coming.
I told her she needs to at least let the other guy know at which she said if you want to meet later let her know.
Only I knew this location very well and what looks out of place. Hopefully those guys on here that were caught up in this will be fine.

[casman]

Could been me, I actually spotted the car parked not fair from the apartments. There two ways into this location and I always take the top way as view is better.
I had an appointment with an escort there. I called the escort and let her know what was going on. She did not seem bothered by it and told me to call her back in 50 minutes as had another client coming.
I told her she needs to at least let the other guy know at which she said if you want to meet later let her know.
Only I knew this location very well and what looks out of place. Hopefully those guys on here that were caught up in this will be fine.

I have heard this too, some lads are going up to doors shouting on the phone and are not aware of their surroundings, ye need to be more careful lads and use your head and not the small one

[John Thomas]

I'm looking forward to seeing the law tested in court- in particular a good barrister for the defendant will be able to bring up what I consider to be major flaws in the legislation which allows sexual services to be sold but not bought.

A great case for entrapment can be made because of this fundamental asymmetry and the lack of action against 'organized prostitution' can be highlighted as a major failing of the Gardai

Most girls are trafficked - it would be simple to just watch how the same apartment over time is frequented by different girls and even if on her own the premises are effectively a 'brothel'- this is an extract from the earlier legislation
Brothel keeping.

11.—A person who—

(a) keeps or manages or acts or assists in the management of a brothel,

(b) being the tenant, lessee, occupier or person in charge of a premises, knowingly permits such premises or any part thereof to be used as a brothel or for the purposes of habitual prostitution, or

(c) being the lessor or landlord of any premises or the agent of such lessor or landlord, lets such premises or any part thereof with the knowledge that such premises or some part thereof are or is to be used as a brothel, or is wilfully a party to the continued use of such premises or any part thereof as a brothel,

shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable—

(i) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both, or

(ii) on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding £10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.


What evidence is there of sexual activity when they wait outside?

I would be calling everyone as a witness including the landlord, escort etc to defend myself and how can it be right that advertising the sale of sexual services is not part of the whole entrapment scenario- prima facie one expects that if a good or service is not banned then it is legal to purchase it

lots of food for thought

[skwhte11]

I don't punt because its against the law,but it does put an extra thrill factor into the whole excursion!

if it became decriminalised, there will be vat added?will it be 13.5 or 23%?service or commodity?the whole thing could get bloody expensive.
tax right offs?entertaining a possible client?

I dunno

also,this €200 court conviction. what does it increase up to with subsequent convictions? €1000 ? €10,000 ?
I would be considering saying fuck it,dont pay and just do your couple of days locked up and put keep the money for punting.

"what are yous in for?"

Rape?

Murder?

Well actually, Kinky Katarina was back in town again....that ass.....

[Stonie]

I'm looking forward to seeing the law tested in court- in particular a good barrister for the defendant will be able to bring up what I consider to be major flaws in the legislation which allows sexual services to be sold but not bought.

A great case for entrapment can be made because of this fundamental asymmetry and the lack of action against 'organized prostitution' can be highlighted as a major failing of the Gardai

Most girls are trafficked - it would be simple to just watch how the same apartment over time is frequented by different girls and even if on her own the premises are effectively a 'brothel'- this is an extract from the earlier legislation
Brothel keeping.

11.—A person who—

(a) keeps or manages or acts or assists in the management of a brothel,

(b) being the tenant, lessee, occupier or person in charge of a premises, knowingly permits such premises or any part thereof to be used as a brothel or for the purposes of habitual prostitution, or

(c) being the lessor or landlord of any premises or the agent of such lessor or landlord, lets such premises or any part thereof with the knowledge that such premises or some part thereof are or is to be used as a brothel, or is wilfully a party to the continued use of such premises or any part thereof as a brothel,

shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable—

(i) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both, or

(ii) on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding £10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.


What evidence is there of sexual activity when they wait outside?

I would be calling everyone as a witness including the landlord, escort etc to defend myself and how can it be right that advertising the sale of sexual services is not part of the whole entrapment scenario- prima facie one expects that if a good or service is not banned then it is legal to purchase it

lots of food for thought

What flaws do you see John Thomas ?
A good barrister is only as good as the information he has at the given time. look at that brave lady laura lee who campaigned to challenge this Law and gathered donations for this cause where I myself contributed to but now she has gone, its stalled, didn't fancy her chances of winning anyway but worth a go.
If England Scotland and Wales and Spain opt to introduce this law too which is a good possibility then it will gain even more momentum,