I was 1 of the 36 in Operation Quest

[Floki]

Those notes from that notebook can be used in court. If you speak you own your words forever. You can be charged without ever making a statement. If they believe they have sufficient evidence then a statement makes no difference.

Garda tone makes no difference. A guard does not have to be polite to a law breaker. He only has to get his result.

The garda does have to prove that the person is breaking the law.
If no information is given and the garda are only going by speculation, then there isn't much that they can do.

With the phone they took, they are not allowed to access it without the permission of the owner or get a full warrant.
If they unlock the phone and use any information from what they find, then it is possible that if taken to court, that evidence will be thrown out of the window and the accuser could press charges.
Phones hold a lot of person data of your friends and family information, then you have photos and other person information
If any of this information is viewed or even released, then there could be big problems for the garda.

As for the BigBen leaving, the garda saw him leaving a building who claimed to them that he has business to attend too, but what business is that is something the garda didn't get and were not happy with not getting any answers they wanted to hear, which also means that that cannot use it against the accuser.
If they do, then this will be looked into and by then, the accuser may have to answer this and may even give out an answer in which they are not looking for anyway and therefore they all have wasted time.


This may not be fully correct, if so note if I am wrong or missed something.

[bmw528]

Does everyone hear the words they type. Nobody is giving any regard to the fact that there could be controlled girls being forced to have sex with random men like yourselves. All you care about is that there are girls there to have sex with when you feel like it.

You're putting Ben on a pedestal, a true hero for the way he handled it.

Why would the guards be polite to you. You don't deserve it. You're breaking the law and you don't give a shit so long as you get your jollies. Those guards know you will pay and fuck a trafficked girl without a care in the world.

You're feeding criminal activities whether you like it or not. There is no way you have never been with a trafficked girl.

Not one person said so far that although they don't agree with the guards, if they save some controlled girls well then something good will come of this. Everyone just cares the can use an escort at their leisure.

When the shit hits the fan people show their true colors, all everyone cares about is themselves and their illegal sex. Nobody showed any consideration for the girls or their welfare in general.

Disgraceful self serving behavior.

First of all, the place that i had visited at the time had two ladies working there that were in their late thirties and the Guards already knew this. They told me that they knew why I was there so there was no point in telling them anything different. They didnt intimidate me or get agressive so I answered the questions asked.

[Stonie]

The garda does have to prove that the person is breaking the law.
If no information is given and the garda are only going by speculation, then there isn't much that they can do.

With the phone they took, they are not allowed to access it without the permission of the owner or get a full warrant.
If they unlock the phone and use any information from what they find, then it is possible that if taken to court, that evidence will be thrown out of the window and the accuser could press charges.
Phones hold a lot of person data of your friends and family information, then you have photos and other person information
If any of this information is viewed or even released, then there could be big problems for the garda.

As for the BigBen leaving, the garda saw him leaving a building who claimed to them that he has business to attend top, but what business is that is something the garda didn't get and were not happy with not getting any answers they wanted to hear, which also means that that cannot use it against the accuser.
If they do, then this will be looked into and by then, the accuser may have to answer this and may even give out an answer in which they are not looking for anyway and therefore they all have wasted time.


This may not be fully correct, if so note if I am wrong or missed something.

I don't get this story as its not professional behaviour and some will try it on hoping the client is too afraid of doing anything and it does come as a big shock to see them.
I never saw one snapping a phone though, yes they may ask could they see it if you nothing to hide.
With the raids they do have warrants though. I Hope that this is not the start where they really begin to enforce this law

[RayDonovan]

all everyone cares about is themselves and their illegal sex.

Lol. Nice one Sarah.
This is actually what's at the base of all your posts.
You resent the fact that men are willing to pay for sex, and some women are willing to have sex in exchange for money.
There's actually more to a date with an escort than just sex, but probably best to keep it simple here.

No trolling. I believe the safety and well being of women and children to be of paramount importance.

If the guards can frighten one or more men into talking then maybe they can build a picture of what is going on behind the scenes. If they happen upon forced girls then they will cut a deal with any man caught if he offers up proof as they see it of control over girls.

But if they are looking into more sinister actions then for this time I would have to agree with the guards, if the end result is the benefit of certain girls and the potential to lock up women abusers.

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If if if.. .
There are trafficking laws aplenty in place. We didn't need another law to protect victims.
And you can obviously tell by reading the journal article that operation quest was only about producing numbers of convictions of the end demand law, not about protecting anyone.

[philipkntz]

If you have facts, give them to the Gardai. Then the pimps and traffickers can be locked up and the girls saved.

[gillyland]

Lol. Nice one Sarah.
This is actually what's at the base of all your posts.
You resent the fact that men are willing to pay for sex, and some women are willing to have sex in exchange for money.
There's actually more to a date with an escort than just sex, but probably best to keep it simple here.



If if if.. .
There are trafficking laws aplenty in place. We didn't need another law to protect victims.
And you can obviously tell by reading the journal article that operation quest was only about producing numbers of convictions of the end demand law, not about protecting anyone.

I do get you Ray, I do, Young men want mad passionate mind blowing sex while the oldies just want companionship and petting, then I suggest you get yourself a nice Dog, a companion for life too they say

[RayDonovan]

I do get you Ray, I do, Young men want mad passionate mind blowing sex while the oldies just want companionship and petting, then I suggest you get yourself a nice Dog, a companion for life too they say

Lol. Sometimes you actually are funny Gilly. Nice one, thanks I'll think about it.

[Dom Dunn]

No, you are not obliged to sit in a squad car. The only way they can compel you to do anything is to arrest you. In the vast majority of cases, if they have the power to arrest you, they will arrest you. If they haven't arrested you, it is because they can't or don't want to.

My experience with the filth is that they try to bend and break laws, rules and regulations all the time. They are capable of almost anything IMO. Best advice is to give name and address and then remain fully silent.
They may, as appears to have happened in this case,become aggressive and intimidating but in comparison to say the police in Thailand or Mexico they are pussycats. Just ignore the C@@@'s.

[Jinxed]

The garda does have to prove that the person is breaking the law.
If no information is given and the garda are only going by speculation, then there isn't much that they can do.

With the phone they took, they are not allowed to access it without the permission of the owner or get a full warrant.
If they unlock the phone and use any information from what they find, then it is possible that if taken to court, that evidence will be thrown out of the window and the accuser could press charges.
Phones hold a lot of person data of your friends and family information, then you have photos and other person information
If any of this information is viewed or even released, then there could be big problems for the garda.

As for the BigBen leaving, the garda saw him leaving a building who claimed to them that he has business to attend too, but what business is that is something the garda didn't get and were not happy with not getting any answers they wanted to hear, which also means that that cannot use it against the accuser.
If they do, then this will be looked into and by then, the accuser may have to answer this and may even give out an answer in which they are not looking for anyway and therefore they all have wasted time.


This may not be fully correct, if so note if I am wrong or missed something.

That mostly sounds sensible. If they legally have your phone they will look at whatever they want, whether they will or can disclose it is a legal matter on its own.

How much is speculation. They picked 36 individuals and were spot on with each individual. So they know exactly what they are talking about.

If they have kept phones and check the buildings cctv along with checking the messages and phone calls to a number they can prove is a working girl, now they have the proof to later detain the person they took the phone off surely.

If it's a known brothel address and that address is on the phone then denying you were there indicates guilt.

If those 36 men are brought before a judge on the evidence the guards have now, brothel address, working girls phone numbers, texts and calls to the phone along with cctv of those men coming out of the brothel, most buildings have cctv globes in them.

Would it be so hard for a judge to convict on the evidence before him considering all those men denied being in the apartments they were in yet it has been proven that they were in them.

[Dom Dunn]

Plain clothes guards wouldn't have shoulder numbers.

The root of the problem is clients. The pimps can't function without clients. The law can't be broken without clients. If you attack the clients you attack the problem. It's easy to give out about this operation but sometimes you have to be objective and try and understand. Too many people here are too close to it so see what they want to see.

Are you a spokesperson for the old Bill ??