I was 1 of the 36 in Operation Quest

[Stonie]

It is not a clear cut win or lose scenario the law is a complex beast. The supreme court judgement in Canada is a significant landmark. At least in part it links the Nordic model to the suprssion of an escort Human Rights. There is no reason to believe that the highest courts in Ireland and the UK will differ fundamentally from this position. If the law is not immediately struck down it may be damaged to the extent that a rethink is forced upon the law makers. I look forward to Stonie eating his hat maybe in the company of a beautiful escort.

Its here to stay and I won't be eating my hat Dom.
Maybe future amendments and with more countries adopting it.
When you examine it closely it made out to help both Escorts and clients and why it will be considered by other countries too.
Its sees that alot of the escorts coming into the country are illegal foreigners, trafficked escorts that are being abused and taken advantage of pimps and clients are so how could you see them as anything else but victims, how can you criminalise these unfortunate ladies, the law is being set out to help these girls get out of prostitution for good and the only way to do it is cut off the supply line, thats us, the guy who pays for sex, that guy who is then prosecuted is not forgot about, he is fined and made to see the error of his ways and will be reeducated on how punting is harming these girls and his life so the law is seen as both helping the escort and help the the client change and get out of these ways for the common good of all.
That's why its so popular in France with Spain now thinking about it too

Put it this way
If you were not a client or escort here and examined the law closely you would most likely give the thumbs up and say that this is a great plan and should be rolled out everywhere

[The Libertarian]

Another worrying aspect to the recent PR spectacular is that the agency tasked with carrying it out - the Garda National Protective Services Bureau.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/l...work-1.3877566

"The bureau is supposed to be leading a nationwide improved Garda response to the serious crimes of sexual violence and child sexual abuse. Yet, at the same time, it is being positioned as the division of the Garda responsible for the policing of paid adult consensual sex. Critically, this means people in sex work cannot trust the bureau."

If you must have the so called police preying into the affairs of consenting adults acting in private, this branch is completely inappropriate as the investigating unit!

[AZ99]

"The bureau is supposed to be leading a nationwide improved Garda response to the serious crimes of sexual violence and child sexual abuse. Yet, at the same time, it is being positioned as the division of the Garda responsible for the policing of paid adult consensual sex. Critically, this means people in sex work cannot trust the bureau."

There must be absolutely no child sexual abuse happening anywhere in Ireland then, otherwise this division would not be wasting time arresting consenting adults.

[Jocksey]

Garda: name address?
Me: no problem. It's x. Am I under suspicion of committing an offence?
Garda will try their level best not to answer this directly. If they say yes you say lawyer followed by no comment.
If they say no simply say bye bye then.

[Dom Dunn]

Exactly a "readonable person" is likely to conclude a person entering/leaving a defined brothtel has paid for sex. This strong circumstancial evidence is likely to support a summary conviction in most cases.

[Einstein II]

Exactly a "readonable person" is likely to conclude a person entering/leaving a defined brothtel has paid for sex. This strong circumstancial evidence is likely to support a summary conviction in most cases.

I too agree with that statement

[Dom Dunn]

Its here to stay and I won't be eating my hat Dom.
Maybe future amendments and with more countries adopting it.
When you examine it closely it made out to help both Escorts and clients and why it will be considered by other countries too.
Its sees that alot of the escorts coming into the country are illegal foreigners, trafficked escorts that are being abused and taken advantage of pimps and clients are so how could you see them as anything else but victims, how can you criminalise these unfortunate ladies, the law is being set out to help these girls get out of prostitution for good and the only way to do it is cut off the supply line, thats us, the guy who pays for sex, that guy who is then prosecuted is not forgot about, he is fined and made to see the error of his ways and will be reeducated on how punting is harming these girls and his life so the law is seen as both helping the escort and help the the client change and get out of these ways for the common good of all.
That's why its so popular in France with Spain now thinking about it too

Put it this way
If you were not a client or escort here and examined the law closely you would most likely give the thumbs up and say that this is a great plan and should be rolled out everywhere

Well well an excellent but eroneous exposition of the Ruhama position. Won't waste my time enlightening you. Goodbye.

[Stonie]

Well well an excellent but eroneous exposition of the Ruhama position. Won't waste my time enlightening you. Goodbye.

I'm a client too Dom but to the guys and girls not involved in the industry and reading it, that's how it will come across to them .
The French were smart and thought it through so peddled it out in such a way that escorts were just victims and clients were just incoherent, lacking awareness and a hefty fine and a bit of education on the subject (embarrassing too to have to do which they knew) the client might think twice about his actions in future.

[philipkntz]

Exactly a "readonable person" is likely to conclude a person entering/leaving a defined brothtel has paid for sex. This strong circumstancial evidence is likely to support a summary conviction in most cases.

I presume you mean a "reasonable person".
Using the same logic, a reasonable person visiting a courthouse would be deemed guilty of some crime.
I have actually worked in several brothels, does that make me a prostitute?

[FargoBoyle]

its no so bad, we will get redemption some day, we are just Punters and not unlike Priests in a way