Operation Quest

[MassiveFerguson]

Do you mean a nun ?

Actually no.
see the patterns

[Mr Sweet Guy]

Ok this is off topic, but it give us clients a inside to life of Escort behind her closed door.

On channel 5STAR at 12.40 am tonight, is a programme call.... The Sex Business Working From Home.
It documentary about Male, Female, Dominatrix revealing their service they provide behind closed doors.

Right I am off to get another beer and a comfy chair to watch this programme shortly !

[AZ99]

i have mentioned warrants on here at least five times and do you not know that its easier to get warrants now than its been 5 years ago and what you mean for the property itself, who do you think in the apartment???? The cops know what going on in these apartments, they've done their homework, just think about how many people including local councillors even escorts themselves contact the guards to report these places?
And you talk about escorts working alone, thats independent and don't you realise that only a tiny number actually work alone here so that your idea blown out of the water again and the reason i repeat myself as you say is because yet again you guys have not given me an answer because you can't

How can you sorely miss the point every time you reply?

If a woman is in her own apartment, or is renting an apartment as an individual, it will be really hard for the police to get a warrant for that because no criminal offense has been committed by the escort or the person renting out the property. Sorry to break this to you, but there's this thing called "property rights." It means the police can't just kick down doors if they feel like it; there needs to be a damn good reason for doing so. If there's a building that's been used by a group of women for a long time... then yes, the police can raid that because technically that's a brothel and there's a criminal offense happening there. But the police are going to have a REALLY hard time getting a warrant for raiding a property that's being rented by one woman.

[FetishCherry]

Ok this is off topic, but it give us clients a inside to life of Escort behind her closed door.

On channel 5STAR at 12.40 am tonight, is a programme call.... The Sex Business Working From Home.
It documentary about Male, Female, Dominatrix revealing their service they provide behind closed doors.

Right I am off to get another beer and a comfy chair to watch this programme shortly !

I dont watch any program, read any book or article about sex behind doors, i did in past and all was far from truth all just present same image wich they want public to believe is real. I know better how it is and all the escorts i know their escort life is similar with mine and very far from the image media conturate about us. I see they start a real propaganda against us in media using all the available tools to control people minds... Shame.. and sad in same time...and who started all this war against us? Ruhama a organisation who pretend help us , this the way they help us? leaving us without jobs? Without our way to make a leaving? who give them the right to tell us what is good or bad for us, who give them rights to tell me how should i live my life and how should i feel about my choice to be escort? where is the freedom to make choices for my life? is shocking how this women gained so much power to destroy some others lives. Because they do this. There are many girls who work as escorts to sustain financially all their families back home: parents, kids, studies of their kids etc.

[Stonie]

End of the day Stonie. If you in the apartment with a independent Escort, or a Escort who sharing with another Escort, or she has security (Boyfriend) there and it raid by the police. You be convict and charge, which if Escort is not independent, then she can be detain and question and the person who in apartment with her also could be charge as a pimp.

Only once in my 6 years punting here and abroad, have I met a Escort who has security (Boyfriend) living in her apartment with her, as I found that out myself. That was the main part, why I stop meeting her because of that situation.

But the odd on that situation is very small Stonie. So don't fret on that Mate.

But you and we are breaking the law and worse if she not independent. Because by the law it class as brothel and that person a Escort or security is class as a pimp by the law. The law can charge you Mate for meeting a Escort. Now as you agree a independent Escort is legal to work as she please.

But if you outside Escort apartment, it just your words what you say to the police, that will either in convict you or not. It lot harder for them Mate to prove you commit any crime, if you act cool sensible and just say what you only have to tell them.

Pimps are generally not living in with the escorts so will seldom be there only maybe in the morning or late night to leave in supplies,advise,.
collect so when place is raided they are no where to be found but if they stings become more common and carried out properly they will feel the heat a lot more.
Everyone assumes i'm fretting but I'm just putting out there what can and could happen for each one of us and nothing we can say or do can get us out of it.
If you are with a 100% independent Escort who chooses discreet premises then its going to be difficult for the police but if found in Premises where the escorts are sharing (and these are the locations the police will target anyway) then youre done for and chances are very slim of getting off , thats if they are really out to get results that is.
Take her easy Sweetguy

[Stonie]

How can you sorely miss the point every time you reply?

If a woman is in her own apartment, or is renting an apartment as an individual, it will be really hard for the police to get a warrant for that because no criminal offense has been committed by the escort or the person renting out the property. Sorry to break this to you, but there's this thing called "property rights." It means the police can't just kick down doors if they feel like it; there needs to be a damn good reason for doing so. If there's a building that's been used by a group of women for a long time... then yes, the police can raid that because technically that's a brothel and there's a criminal offense happening there. But the police are going to have a REALLY hard time getting a warrant for raiding a property that's being rented by one woman.

you're missing the point, read my posts, I'm not talking about the totally Independent escort here as Guards won't target these locations as not worth it and these are so few anyway, I already covered this.
They will target as they call Brothels where the chances of a successful outcome is the most likely and thats where escorts are sharing, double the amount of traffic going in and out too from the apartment and with most escorts sharing then there is a huge selection of places to choose from, its so easy for them.
Property rights my ass, if the police believe there is a brothel or other illegal activity going on (and they know these places like back of their hand anyway )in the apartments the judge will easily grant a warrant and of course they don't kick the door for the hell of it, theyre not thugs but can enter the property by any means they see appropriate at the time

[Stephanie]

Pimps are generally not living in with the escorts so will seldom be there only maybe in the morning or late night to leave in supplies,advise,.
collect so when place is raided they are no where to be found but if they stings become more common and carried out properly they will feel the heat a lot more.
Everyone assumes i'm fretting but I'm just putting out there what can and could happen for each one of us and nothing we can say or do can get us out of it.

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If you are with a 100% independent Escort who chooses discreet premises then its going to be difficult for the police

but if found in Premises where the escorts are sharing (and these are the locations the police will target anyway)

then youre done for and chances are very slim of getting off , thats if they are really out to get results that is.

Take her easy Sweetguy

^^^^ That !

Also : as I understand it , these guys were stopped on the street and some questions were put to them .

36 have been questioned ; we don’t know how many were silly enough to sing .


: how many times has it already been said !? : be polite , give basic obligatory information Only >>

>> name , address , and unless under arrest , politely ask to move on .

Be nice . Be calm . Be considerate . These guys ( the Guards ) are just doing a job too .

If you are calm and collected , courteous but firm in your position of not engaging in Any

exchange of ‘banter’ , Firm in Not incriminating yourself by blabbering on with foolish notions of

having visited a friend etc. , ask them to direct their questions to your Solicitor , you’ll be on your way .

These guys ( the Guards ) don’t want to make their Own life more difficult than it is : they’re looking for

and picking the low hanging fruit : people of ignorance or arrogance . Don’t be either of those !

Be polite , be nice , even if Guard ‘assertive’ , after given your name etc. , ask if you are being detained .

If so , for what reason ? >> ask to have Counsel present for any further questioning . ‘Tis not a friendly chat !

: If not being detained , ask politely to move on .

And as it’s said in the post I quoted : if you are found Inside a brothel , you are cooked .


Take home lesson : keep your mouth shut !

[Nowandagain]

This thread has truly got off point on various degrees.

It is well and fine to point out what to do vrs not what to do.

There was a statement from the Garda. = Voice

But the bottom line is this. There was a spokes person for Ruhma praising the destruction of mens lives for being caught paying for sex. = Feminist/Catholic Voice

There was a statement from Sex workers alliance Ireland, stating what it was like for them. = Prostitutes Voice

And for the punters? For men who decide to have sex and pay for it? = 0

Now I have heard some brave talk here.. But is it not time we had some organization that voiced its right. And was faced?

[Stonie]

^^^^ That !

Also : as I understand it , these guys were stopped on the street and some questions were put to them .

36 have been questioned ; we don’t know how many were silly enough to sing .


: how many times has it already been said !? : be polite , give basic obligatory information Only >>

>> name , address , and unless under arrest , politely ask to move on .

Be nice . Be calm . Be considerate . These guys ( the Guards ) are just doing a job too .

If you are calm and collected , courteous but firm in your position of not engaging in Any

exchange of ‘banter’ , Firm in Not incriminating yourself by blabbering on with foolish notions of

having visited a friend etc. , ask them to direct their questions to your Solicitor , you’ll be on your way .

These guys ( the Guards ) don’t want to make their Own life more difficult than it is : they’re looking for

and picking the low hanging fruit : people of ignorance or arrogance . Don’t be either of those !

Be polite , be nice , even if Guard ‘assertive’ , after given your name etc. , ask if you are being detained .

If so , for what reason ? >> ask to have Counsel present for any further questioning . ‘Tis not a friendly chat !

: If not being detained , ask politely to move on .

And as it’s said in the post I quoted : if you are found Inside a brothel , you are cooked .


Take home lesson : keep your mouth shut !

It just goes to show you what The Guards could really do if they wished, They are well informed and they seem stepping it up but that because pressure is mounting and its a pretty dismal past record in the few years.
Reminds me a little of the revenue officials who are sent to border areas for 3-4 weeks every 3 months or so to clamp down on illegal fuel and UK vehicles driven by Irish Drivers who try to avoid paying VRT, they make a fortune and get results and statistically it looks very good and that's what its all about.
As said if caught in a Brothel or just leaving it you are cooked but if the Brothel turns out to have trafficked escorts there than you're not only cooked but well burnt.

[Punter08]

Wow. 35 pages on this one topic
A lot of good debating and very informative for sure. Be careful and know your rights and you will be fine.

This article got me thinking that if you dont know the new law in place you can end up in some serious bother.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38075930.html

Now i dont believe for one second that this guy is a trafficker and i dont think the judge believes that either or he would not have granted him bail.

Pizza delivery driver accused of trafficking women into Northern Ireland.

A pizza delivery driver is to stand trial accused of trafficking women into Northern Ireland, a judge has ordered.

Marian Ilie, 34, faces charges linked to his alleged role in establishing online escort agency services.

Ilie, a Romanian national of Donegall Avenue in Belfast, is charged with three counts of human trafficking and a further count of acquiring criminal property.

The alleged offences involve arranging or facilitating the travel of two different women on dates between November 2017 and February 2018 for their exploitation.

He is further accused of unlawfully acquiring £18,444 in cash.

Ilie was arrested in June 2018 as part of an investigation into a suspected crime gang with links to Scotland and Sweden.

He appeared before Belfast Magistrates' Court on Friday for a preliminary enquiry into the allegations against him.

During the brief hearing Ilie declined to give evidence or call witnesses.

Defence solicitor Pearse MacDermott did not contest submissions that his client has a case to answer.

On that basis District Judge Fiona Bagnall granted a prosecution application to have Ilie returned for Crown Court trial.

She released him on continuing bail, with conditions including curfew hours aimed at allowing him to continue his delivery job with a well-known pizza firm.

A previous court was told Ilie denies any wrongdoing over his suspected role in collecting a woman from Dublin airport.

He described himself as the "IT guy" who agreed to set up a website for the alleged victim after being asked by her husband, lawyers said.

But his legal team insisted there was nothing illegal about escort services involving no payment for sex.

Ilie was also said to provide online and computer help to Romanian nationals with less command of the English language.