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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Sweet Guy View Post
    Sorry but you wrong as I state only it discrimination also to not heed anyone consent.... Like I said it Ladies choice on who she meet and choose with consent important to.... That to me is not discrimination..... Other can and will disagree on discrimination on ethnic background , but won't disagree that consent is must in every situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGMD1990 View Post
    I can almost imagine this conversation.

    MSG: "And cashier lady, you are very beautiful and amazing lady. Do you consent me to buy this can of bullshit?"
    Cashier: "Just give me the fucking money"


    so can I.

    Cashier: So one portion of soup, that's two fifty
    MSG : two fifty, and of course consent, can we both agree to consent..




    MSG: yes, but consent... wardrobes..prosecco..




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    Quote Originally Posted by RayDonovan View Post


    so can I.

    Cashier: So one portion of soup, that's two fifty
    MSG : two fifty, and of course consent, can we both agree to consent..




    MSG: yes, but consent... wardrobes..prosecco..




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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesman217 View Post
    BTW just in case anyone from the anti-sex worker brigade happens to read this, I thought I'd add this for your benefit. My opinion and observations below regarding escorts is going off of the premise that they are independent sex workers, working off their own free will, not being coerced or forced in any way. That would be human trafficking, exploitation and is absolutely vile. But in order to help both the victims of human trafficking and those that engage in sex work out of their own free will, a distinction has got to be made between the two and laws drawn accordingly to act on both. Until such time as consensual sex work and human trafficking are distinguished from each other, i.e. they are not the same thing, then things will only ever get worse for both.
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    Over the years I've seen this being talked about quite a few times. And you know what? It scares me. Refusing to see things from an escorts' perspective. And no, I'm not writing this to gain favour with anyone. I'm not writing this to be a white knight. I'm writing it solely as a concern. You can tell me I'm bullshitting or whatever, quite frankly I couldn't care less. It's about time someone said it. I'm going to be using the word 'discriminate' a lot here, but just know that I use that word very VERY loosely.

    Over the years, I have seen many clients here who think almost entirely with their dick and not their brain. And regrettably there's no end in sight for that, some men are just coded to think that way. Fortunately I'm the reverse, I do think with my brain and endeavour to act right as I see it. Whether that's looking at things from the perspective of others or otherwise.

    So over the years, people have come here and claimed that an escort is discriminating against them for one reason or another (nationality, colour, etc etc etc). Yes, it is discrimination but it's not black and white discrimination. The sex industry is unlike any other industry in the world, whether it's selling in goods or services, i.e. supermarkets or dentists. And absolutely, in each and every one of those cases it would be outright discrimination and 100% wrong.

    But this isn't a case like that. Sex work is all about sex. The thing that scares me which I mentioned above, is this. There is a mindset out there among some clients, a minority mind you. This mindset, is that because there is exchange of money involved, there are almost certain "expectations" or "entitlements" almost. To me, this is absolutely frightening. You are paying to spend X amount of time with an escort, and whatever happens during that time IS NOT UP TO YOU. It is up to the escort and the escort alone.

    Now what does this have to do with discrimination? Well I'm getting onto that now. But first, let's leave the world of the sex industry for a moment. Hypothetical scenario: a couple of friends, women, are on a night out. A few lads come over, buy the girls a drink and 2 of them eventually end up going home together, just a one nighter thing. Few weeks later, the same girls are out on the town and are bought drinks from another few fellas. But no one goes home with anyone tonight. For one reason or another, the girls just didn't feel comfortable about potentially going home with one of these guys. Maybe he was a foreigner and she just wasn't comfortable with the idea of going back home with him because of this. Quite frankly it's not important, because it's her choice who she does or does not go home with.

    Was she racist? Remember now, this is just a group of women on a night out. One week one girl chooses to go home with some guy. Another week she chooses not to with some other guy. Both guys were from different places. Talked different ways, etc. Is this racist? If a woman does not want to sex with someone for whatever reason, whether it's skin their colour, racial background, etc, is this racist? Nobody, man or woman, has got to explain to anyone why they do or do not want to engage in sex with someone else.

    See where I'm going with this? Well I'll guide you along now.

    Let's revert back to the sex industry now. I've seen over the years, a lot of clients either through their own ignorance or just purposely shove their heads in the sand. If you take away only one thing from what I've written here, then let it be this. As clients, we haven't a fucking clue what goes on behind the scenes. As clients, we haven't a fucking clue what an escort's average day is like. But like I said, it's all about sex. So let me ask you a question, and keep in mind my little hypothetical scenarios above. Just because there is money involved, why should an escort not be allowed the same right to turn away someone that they do not feel comfortable with? Why does this make him/her racist? Do you even stop to think for a moment how vulnerable an escort's working environment is? Letting complete strangers into their room, not knowing a thing about them? Yes, it is discrimination. But at the end of the day, it's sex. The fact that money is involved is completely irrelevant. This is not like any other industry. It is sex, pure and simple sex, age old since time immemorial sex, and the most important thing about sex is... consent.

    So. All these people who claim that escorts are discriminating, racist even, because they don't see people of say certain nationalities, or whatever the case may be. Tell me, are they ageist too if they choose not to see say clients under 30 or over 60? Let's keep those 2 questions and apply it to our hypothetical scenario. If a group of women are out on the town one night, are they racist because they don't want to go home with someone from another country? Are they ageist because they don't want to go home with someone under 30 or over 60?

    Of course it's not fucking racism. Take one more thing away from this, and that is that the most important thing is an escort's safety. If you do not get that then I don't want to even try and comprehend what kind of creature you are. If an escort, for whatever reason, does not feel comfortable or safe with people of certain backgrounds, then that is his/her right as a consenting human being. This industry is completely different to any other industry in the world. You cannot treat it the same. Just because you have money in your pocket does not grant you anything. If an escort does not feel comfortable with certain people for whatever reason, then leave without a fuss and find another escort who does. The idea that money somehow grants you automatic rights to see an escort is sickening. It is a man or woman's right to choose to engage in sexual activities with whosoever they wish, and it is equally their right to refuse same and is not answerable for that to anyone.



    I do not get to understand too well where it wants to go with the above, but I believe and affirm, at least in my case, that ... each of us is free to choose who we see or not, and it is not racism, Like any type of person or company that is dedicated to some type of service or attention to the public.
    I select just as anyone would, and I repeat it's not racism, it's just a way to stay safe and comfortable with what I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatureAlejandra View Post
    I do not get to understand too well where it wants to go with the above, but I believe and affirm, at least in my case, that ... each of us is free to choose who we see or not, and it is not racism, Like any type of person or company that is dedicated to some type of service or attention to the public.
    I select just as anyone would, and I repeat it's not racism, it's just a way to stay safe and comfortable with what I do.
    It is discrimination based on race though.

    You're working in what can be a dangerous profession so I think it's your right to discriminate in whatever way makes you feel safe and comfortable though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayDonovan View Post
    It is discrimination based on race though.

    You're working in what can be a dangerous profession so I think it's your right to discriminate in whatever way makes you feel safe and comfortable though.


    I would not call it discrimination but selection, I do not discriminate, I select, for my safety, but I also do it to be comfortable, or someone is not to my liking, like for example, young guys or people who drink alcohol or are not hygienic. I see them, and that is not discriminating, I just select.

    I am within my rights to do it as any of you select the lady that you like to see ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLovelyLad View Post
    Why does it not matter? Like honesly do you think that a girl seeing 3-4 clients a day is really consenting to all of those experiences. It's the money that makes the difference. Yeah, she could theoretically take the money and then say no actually truly I don't want to have sex with you, but then she wouldn't have a business for long, so she knows that she needs to put her consent aside for now and get through it. If you honestly think that these girls would have sex with you without payment then you must be very good looking and all that.

    It just seems to me that when you say a lot about consent what you're actually talking about it the paid absence of resistence. Is that really consent. I would like to hear more about your thoughts on this important topic.
    First to say that is a very good post you put up Mr Lovely Lad.... You thinking like me in way as that problem I have to is it true consent in the meeting of professional Lady (Escort) That we will never know the truth mate as that as best kept secret... I agree if she say no to sex with every clients (that she is entitle to say Yes or No to
    sex or what she not comfortable with)
    She going to lose business and clients... It tough business out there for the Ladies and lot of good and bad clients... I not lie I met Ladies (Escorts) in the FKK clubs in Germany and few been very honest and said they don't like their job.... But it money drive them on to keep going...

    So yes are they truly consent to sex....? But they do have a choice who they see and like to have sex with.... In fact they get to see the clients before they approach them..... Unlike the professional Ladies (Escorts) here in Ireland who only get to see the clients when they approaching the door...

    That is serious good point you make Mr Lovely Lad and ones I can't answer , as only the Lady we are in company of can give the true answer to that question and situation... It does cross my mind also and that has Ladies I met getting annoy about it , question them about their truly consent....
    No I never class myself as good looking , just a shy Gents who like and enjoy Ladies Escort company :) But consider this mate does anybody truly happy in life all time and enjoy their job they work in....?

    That where you find your answer like I will to.... My opinion it a professional job like all business with good and bad day... That why they are call professional Ladies (Escorts) :)
    But yes we can never tell if they truly consenting or not , but isn't it like all situation and everybody we meet in life... We can never truly tell if they giving us their true consent... Now you put doubt into my head , but you are right to be concern about it Consent....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayDonovan View Post
    Are you white/caucasian?
    I will let the professional Ladies (Escorts) I met answer that question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Sweet Guy View Post
    I will let the professional Ladies (Escorts) I met answer that question
    Are you incapable of speaking for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidlifeCrisis View Post
    No! No! No! No! No! Consent is ongoing, and it is vital that it can be withdrawn at any time. When a girl accepts the money she has sometimes been in the presence of a guy for less than a minute, and he may have barely spoken. Sadly, lots of guys may actually change their behaviour after the money is accepted, thinking that it has given them some sort of entitlement.

    If a girl gets spooked at any time she must be able to call a halt. From your previous posts, I don't believe that you are the type to continue if you realise that a girl has become uncomfortable, so you probably don't mean this the way it reads.

    No need to make a big deal about verbal consent as things proceed, but you need to pay enough attention to be certain that she is still happy with the way things are going.
    Yep I didn't explain myself thoroughly enough indeed.
    Consent is sure ongoing and if any lady asked me to leave at any stage during the appointment then that is exactly what I would do.
    And yes there would be some clients with whom you would see a change in behaviour once money has been exchanged.
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