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    Default Just saw Muslim guy on TV that lost wife in London fire

    I don't know but does this not show up the position of women in Islam!!!

    He was referring to escaping the burning building and described how his wife was behind him on 15th 14 th floor etc and lost her on 11th- for fuck sake why was she behind him??

    Sorry I could not help myself but to post this!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clueless View Post
    I don't know but does this not show up the position of women in Islam!!!

    He was referring to escaping the burning building and described how his wife was behind him on 15th 14 th floor etc and lost her on 11th- for fuck sake why was she behind him??

    Sorry I could not help myself but to post this!!
    Maybe he was leading the way. Stupid to tie that to religious beliefs.

    Although, he should have been making sure she was safe at all times

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmallHorn View Post
    Maybe he was leading the way. Stupid to tie that to religious beliefs.

    Although, he should have been making sure she was safe at all times
    Poor Melania in a fire so !! X
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie View Post
    Poor Melania in a fire so !! X
    In any case!

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishdeltaforce View Post
    Quran

    Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.
    Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they make more reliable witnesses.

    Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

    Quran (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands, if there is no water to purify them, following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

    Quran (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).

    Quran (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse. If this is what Muhammad meant, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).

    Quran (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.

    Quran (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

    Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
    Hadith and Sira

    Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"

    Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.

    Sahih Bukhari (2:28) & Sahih Bukhari (54:464) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven mentioned explicitly by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).

    Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.

    Sahih Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.

    Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

    Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."

    Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them.

    Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.

    Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out enslaved women to his cronies for sex.

    Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." Muhammad traded captured women for horses.

    Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'."

    Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."

    Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty."

    Ishaq 969 - "Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control of their persons." - This same text also says that wives may be beaten for "unseemliness".

    Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 - "Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves." From Muhammad's 'Farewell Sermon'.
    You know how many interpretations of the Qur'an there is right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmallHorn View Post
    You know how many interpretations of the Qur'an there is right?
    5?
    7?
    14?
    Am I close?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlessandraFan View Post
    5?
    7?
    14?
    Am I close?
    I dont know the figures!

    Old testament, New testament all bollocks imo.

    Unless I can read arabic, experienced 2000 year old middle eastern culture and see the original, I ain't entertaining any of that shite. No matter what agenda it adheres to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishdeltaforce View Post
    For balance:

    A Hindu goes to his Muslim neighbor and asks if he could borrow a copy of the Koran.

    “Of course,”said the Muslim. “We’ve got plenty! Let me get you one from my library.”

    A week later, the Hindu returns.

    “Thanks so much,” he said. “Fascinating. But I wonder, could you give me a copy of the other Koran?”

    “Um, you’re holding it,” said the Muslim.

    “Yeah, I read this,” replied the Hindu. “But I need a copy of the Koran that’s followed by Muslims.”

    The article itself is well worth a read: http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/pr...n-carla-power/
    Will read. Im into this kinda stuff now after my recent soul seaching sabbatical.


    One for you:

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_sexism

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishdeltaforce View Post
    Did you find religion? Our did you just need time to come to terms with the fact that life is meaningless?
    Ah none of the above....

    Just doing some grown stuff.

    Back to being a pest now

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishdeltaforce View Post
    Did you find religion? Our did you just need time to come to terms with the fact that life is meaningless?
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