Martin McGuinness has died

[DearJohn1]

I disagree with you also as sometimes in life you have to meet violence with violence , maybe it is called
standing up for yourself.

So killing and bombing members of his own community is ok is it.
Burying a women in a grave and never telling anyone where the body is to get back at her family is ok is it.
Good to know.

[blue rebel]

So killing and bombing members of his own community is ok is it.
Burying a women in a grave and never telling anyone where the body is to get back at her family is ok is it.
Good to know.

A lot you know about it!!

[EIFII]

A lot you know about it!!

Ahhh the defence of secret knowledge!

Come on blue rebel, you can do better than that!

[DearJohn1]

A lot you know about it!!

We would have known more but martin was to chicken to confess.
Yeah a real hero he was.

[justfrank44]

Martin was a man who was brave enough to take up the defence of his community against thugs, and brave enough to face his opponents in debate, and earn their respect in both areas of conflict. Yes the troubles spiralled out of control , and Martin had his share of blame, but unlike many others , he did not run away from his responsibility. I am sure that if he were the coward that some claim, he would be on here talking shite behind an anonymous user name

[MidlifeCrisis]

I am not condoning the violence. I However understand why that option was took during that time. No side hasnt got blood on there hands. But ireland was a country that was occupied for a very long time with harsh conditions from the british empire for vast Periods of time. we in republic didnt live in those times having indepence thru a similar story bullet to ballot box. The complexaties of the north are too many for anyone to umderstand. However my comment on him been a hero was not due to his past but him making peace for greater good violence is easy but that was not it showed massive courage and open mindness for all concerned. What better men to broker peace pasiley and martin. A target painted on both for doing so.
To me that is a brave act without it life on north could of continued its easy to say well the ira shouldnt have happened but either should have scottish planters or the opression of catholics or british occupation or even or own republic because that was won in part by violent actions againist british occupations war sometimes in unavoidable not saying that is right or wrong but thats just life we do not live in a perfect world. But all that has happened now peace has been made people need to move on be glad of the peace brought on by.men like mcguiness, by a war started long before his time

I agree with most of what you say except for calling him a hero. Brave yes, but heros don't get involved in killing innocents, whatever the circumstances.

He was the right man for his time though, and I think perhaps no one else had the combination of Republican credentials, political talent and charisma to bring people close enough together. Our problem over the years was that most of the people arguing for peace were too moderate to be listened to. Martin was one of a handful of key players. Mo Mowlam and David Trimble also made big contributions. Big Ian is another that will cause rows, but it took a unlikely combination of personalities to finally get real progress.

[alcatel]

Most of the armchair warriors, here and elsewhere, would not have had the ability, force of personality and resolution to bring the bulk of a potent, secret , militant organisation, to largely, a position of quietude and decommission.
And McGuinness possibly had more standing and clout with the IRA than Adams.
Without McGuinness and those mentioned in the thread above, and some others, then the hurlers on the ditch (here as elsewhere), would still be wringing their hands in despair at ongoing conflict and death in NI.

[DearJohn1]

Martin was a man who was brave enough to take up the defence of his community against thugs, and brave enough to face his opponents in debate, and earn their respect in both areas of conflict. Yes the troubles spiralled out of control , and Martin had his share of blame, but unlike many others , he did not run away from his responsibility. I am sure that if he were the coward that some claim, he would be on here talking shite behind an anonymous user name

lol Punishment beatings and knee capping went up in his community after the cease fire.
The only respect he earned was from dumb people who wanted someone to stand up for them at any costs.
He was a coward and a liar.

[casman]

RIP Martin, an enormous loss to this country, I met him twice and he was a gentleman, hopefully his dream for an united Ireland will soon be realized, may he rest in peace.

[DearJohn1]

I am not condoning the violence. I However understand why that option was took during that time. No side hasnt got blood on there hands. But ireland was a country that was occupied for a very long time with harsh conditions from the british empire for vast Periods of time. we in republic didnt live in those times having indepence thru a similar story bullet to ballot box. The complexaties of the north are too many for anyone to umderstand. However my comment on him been a hero was not due to his past but him making peace for greater good violence is easy but that was not it showed massive courage and open mindness for all concerned. What better men to broker peace pasiley and martin. A target painted on both for doing so.
To me that is a brave act without it life on north could of continued its easy to say well the ira shouldnt have happened but either should have scottish planters or the opression of catholics or british occupation or even or own republic because that was won in part by violent actions againist british occupations war sometimes in unavoidable not saying that is right or wrong but thats just life we do not live in a perfect world. But all that has happened now peace has been made people need to move on be glad of the peace brought on by.men like mcguiness, by a war started long before his time

scottish planters wtf