new bill criminalising the purchase of sex

[Naughtyboy]

I suppose this site could help by providing a system of payment such as registered users including escorts having ability to transfer between accounts. Eg. say I upload x euro to my account and the escort logs in to her EI account, input the deal for x amount and the punters username and then the punter enters a pin on the escorts phone privately to authorise the payment and app is closed. If that were possible and some escorts went cashfree I would use the system. If the only cash in an apartment was say 20 euro it would be difficult to prove that a crime took place. Evidence from the punters bank account?. That's where a foreign bank account would be handy, most escorts have one. Punters could get one too.

[bestie]

I suppose this site could help by providing a system of payment such as registered users including escorts having ability to transfer between accounts. Eg. say I upload x euro to my account and the escort logs in to her EI account, input the deal for x amount and the punters username and then the punter enters a pin on the escorts phone privately to authorise the payment and app is closed. If that were possible and some escorts went cashfree I would use the system. If the only cash in an apartment was say 20 euro it would be difficult to prove that a crime took place. Evidence from the punters bank account?. That's where a foreign bank account would be handy, most escorts have one. Punters could get one too.

it simply would not work for loads of reasons

[ts-shemale-rammer]

Where do you heard that hun? Jag har aldrig hört talas om detta ( i never heard about this )





A few things on this -

1 I got the information on the nasty nature of how the Swedish Pigz 'police' this law from reading many forum posts on the matter in various sites, they are nasty cuntz, arguably sociopathic/boderline psychpathic when they get going!



That video indicates that the 2 Swedish Cops in it were prepared to let a trafficked woman be effectively repeatedly raped raped in order to collect easy fines by hanging outside the apartment where she was based!

2 Also I'm sure you are familiar with Pye Jakobsen, a great Swedish Sex workers' rights actvist, she and organizations she has been involved with, would have done a lot of work on how sex workers in Sweden have been abused by this madness -

https://ruthjacobs.co.uk/2014/03/17/...den-interview/

https://www.hri.global/files/2010/05..._Jakobsson.pdf

3 What are the likely differences in The Swedish approach to enforcing it relative to The Paddy way -

Well in Sweden, no punter has ever went to prison under it and its been around 20 years in operation! Essentially, it's about forcing a punter to admit to his crime and get an easy fine, they don't seem to give a shit about the safety of the sex worker, whom they have been conditioned to believe is either an active and willing participant in her own oppression (Stockholm Syndrome), or mentally ill or both, all of which are highly ofensive and abusive to sex workers and don't stand up to scrutiny!
So there is a similarity between the Swedish law and The Paddy version at least in so far as a punter here will get a slap on the wrist fine in that it's about making sex workers suffer the most!
I would have said thar The Irish or British Police would most likely have a more of a maternalistic approach to policing this law than The Swedes, re giving sex workers the benefit of any doubt and possibly clients as well.
However, from what Laura Lee recently said in a radio interview, i have been disavowed of this naieve view in relation to Pigz in the Republic -

http://thevivastreetpodcast.libsyn.com/laura-lee

Laura openly states in this interview that the PSNI in Northern Ireland have been compassionate in their enforcement of The Nordie Version of this law, but down here, even without this law having been enacted, the Pigz/Guards have been involved in the rapes of sex workers, robberies of sex workers and general assaults of sex workers and to any remotely civiilized human being, this is remarkably serious!

Also one difference which I can absolutely guarantee to the last in relation to the enforcement of this law, in Sweden it is enforced without class bias, indeed even The DPP was arrested under it, In The Republic of Ireland it will never be enforced against 'The great and The Good', who have literally got away with murder in many cases anyway and it will only ever be enforced against pigz by other pigz, if they deliberately want to target a specific pig for some reason, totally unrelated to that crime!

Another likely difference is that there is a lower burden of proof under Swedish Law to gain a conviction for any crime in general, so it's a little harder for The Irish Pigz to get a sucessful conviction!

Have you ever buy sex in Sweden? or have you ever visit Sweden? If your answer is NO, my advise is, just read and listen but don't get obsessed to what you reading or listening a story from mouth to mouth unless you heard it from the person who have experienced the situation him/herself. Rumor spread faster than truth darling

Selling sex is LEGAL but buying sex is ILLEGAL. The swedish police have no rights to arrest nor to deport any independent escort. They did before but not anymore as long as you don't break any EU/Schengen laws. Still remember when i was on the redlights street in Stockholm one detective approached me and gave me his card and said i can call him if i need help or if i've been abuse or attack or else

You guys are really getting paranoid over this new law. We know it's stupid but the politicians did it just to make the other politicians happy. Do you ever think the police/garda have enough time for this? To prevent human trafficking yes i do believe why this law ever exist and i have no objection to this law however, i do protest if this law affecting us independent escorts.

I myself have made three police reports in Sweden and all of the reports were taken down within less than 24 hours eventhough i came with phone sms and phonecall history printed on the paper as evidence. WTF!!! SO GUYS, SMS OR PHONE HISTORY IS NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONVICT YOU TO THE COURT. Only the 1st case i appealed and managed to brought up the case because i have better evidence and that mother fucker need to know that he messed with wrong bitch.

[The Libertarian]

Have you ever buy sex in Sweden? or have you ever visit Sweden? If your answer is NO, my advise is, just read and listen but don't get obsessed to what you reading or listening a story from mouth to mouth unless you heard it from the person who have experienced the situation him/herself. Rumor spread faster than truth darling

Selling sex is LEGAL but buying sex is ILLEGAL. The swedish police have no rights to arrest nor to deport any independent escort. They did before but not anymore as long as you don't break any EU/Schengen laws. Still remember when i was on the redlights street in Stockholm one detective approached me and gave me his card and said i can call him if i need help or if i've been abuse or attack or else

You guys are really getting paranoid over this new law. We know it's stupid but the politicians did it just to make the other politicians happy. Do you ever think the police/garda have enough time for this? To prevent human trafficking yes i do believe why this law ever exist and i have no objection to this law however, i do protest if this law affecting us independent escorts.

I myself have made three police reports in Sweden and all of the reports were taken down within less than 24 hours eventhough i came with phone sms and phonecall history printed on the paper as evidence. WTF!!! SO GUYS, SMS OR PHONE HISTORY IS NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONVICT YOU TO THE COURT. Only the 1st case i appealed and managed to brought up the case because i have better evidence and that mother fucker need to know that he messed with wrong bitch.

Darling, nice to hear from you,
I have been in Sweden, I visited Malmo, on a trip to Copenhagen, it was during The Malmo Festival and it seemed to be a very pleasant city. A few years ago I visited Stockholm and despite everybody else being very impressed with it, I was much more impressed with Oslo, which I visted on that trip also. In fact Oslo was the last city in the world I ever expected a loon to mass murder people in, but it happened!
I did not attempt to rent sexual services in either Sweden or Norway, because I have no wish to be arrested!
What did you make of THe Swedish Coppers leaving a trafficked woman to be continually raped while they perved outside waiting to fine her clients rather than rescuing her? I thought they came across as borderline psychotics or at least heavily brainwashed into thinking the escort is a victim of Stockholm Syndrome i.e. a willing participant in her own oppression, which is completely daft!
I totally and absolutely support the prosecution of anybody engaged in the trafficking and exploitation of sex workers, laws already existed to address this in here!
Also my view that this law is primarily about making sex workers suffer still holds!
The burden of proof to sustain a conviction is higher under Irish and British Law than Swedish Law!
Re your comment that selling sex is legal in Sweden is not entirely correct because as here 2 sex workers working from the same apartment constitutes a brothel and that is illegal!
Also AFAIK there has never been a prosecution in Sweden of a client for purchasing sexual services from a trans sex worker or male sex worker or a female purchaser at all! The Swedish Law was intended to be gender neutral in terms of prosecuting clients, it most definitely is not, the Swedish Police claim that of the possibilities for sex purchase only male clients purchasing from female sex workers indicates an exploitative power imbalance and therefore, it's the only case they chase, which again is totally daft! It is however, class neutral, which the law in Ireland will pretend to be but as is the case with every law here will not be!

[The Libertarian]

A lot of Copenhagen based sex workers say they are available for sessions in Malmo, so that is one way there that clients can get some action!

[The Libertarian]

Also I gather from what you have said that THe Swedish Police did not take you seriously when you made some very serious complaints. Again this is a reflection of the brainwashing they have received into believing that sex workers being abused are willing participants in their own abuse, most likely due to an assumed by them, mental illness! This sis extremely sick!
The reality is ordinary decent punters ODCs are frightened by these insane laws, while psychotic punters who wish to harm sex workers flourish under them!
Sweden is widely known as the most feminist country in the world and while feminism is a legitimate philosophy, at extreme levels it turns into man hating and indeed hatred of non conformist women and that is as wrong as wrong can be!

[ts-shemale-rammer]

Malmö a pleasant city? Hell NO.. Gothenburg better

Who want to get arrested for buying sex? Neither us escorts want anything bad happen to our punters. There are still plenty of punters in Sweden and Norway anyway. Look up escort sites in Sweden and Norway and don't be suprised with the amounts of them. If you think sex workers been treated so badly by the Swedish pigs, why there are still many girls working there? Ask yourself and think

Some stories has been either added or exaggerated darling. Buying sex and rape is totally two different cases. You reading way too much. Like i said, just read and listen. Internet is the fastest way to spread rumor nowadays.

I do aware that working with 2 or more is illegal everywhere where brothel is illegal and yes i'm 100% sure that selling sex is legal only if you work alone.

To find the proof of purchasing sexual service is not easy if both escort and punter deny the allegation. That's why there has never been a prosecution. No matter if you buy sex from male/trans/female escort as long as you pay money, you are committing a crime. In Sweden, even an attempt to purchase sex is considered illegal. But how to prove it if escorts tell that he is not a client??? So, the escorts consent plays the biggest evidence to prosecute the sex buyer afterall.

It wasn't violent cases anyway thats' why they didn't take it serious. Of the 3 reports i made, only 1 i have intercourse with. The other 2 report was attempt for purchasing sex and that's why i didn't appeal the case. Anyway the guy who i appeal his case has apologised to what he did and i've met him again and again after that and then i am the one who wanted the police to take down the case while they insist to bring the case to the court. Google my name and you will find a thread about me and the case but it's in swedish however the person who started the thread didn't told the real story of what had happened and he exaggerated the story instead to make it sounds better and made me seems like a terrible cunt. Look, this is why i say internet is the fastest way to spread rumors.

ps: If this law scare you to meet escorts, you better obey the law and don't commit a crime. This will show me that you are a good boy and i love good obedient boy
HOWEVER, feel free to meet your favourite girls at anytime you feel needed if you think like this,"Money exchanged in legal adult personal services is simply for the time expended in the delivery of lawful entertainment and companionship. Anything else that may or may not occur is a matter of personal preferences between two consenting adults of legal age, at their leisure, and is not contracted for, nor is it requested to be contracted for in any manner. This is not an offer of prostitution. Fees charges are for time spent only."

[celticden]

PSNI were against Lord Morrow's bill, saying this new law was not enforceable. They then accepted that it had been passed but have not actively pursed carrying out the objectives that the law outlined.

If you are caught, all you have to confirm to the Gardai are your name & your address. If a client is arrested, the escort DOES NOT have to give a statement to the Gardai.

Sandy x

I would be afraid because our police force is so lazy sitting looking at apartments all day would be perfect catching drug lords ,rapists , pimps , murders and robbers is too much work there even afraid of travellers who don't give two fucks about the law ,could be wrong but at least PSNI actually have done good work trying to stamp out paramilitaries whereas speed tickets and doing the work of speed vans and guys having sex seem to be top priority now

[innocentguilt]

Hi guys, Is this law in effect or not? Anyone knows? Trying to read through the thread but I can't find definite answer.
Also, how is this nonsense supposed to work? How can they prove that at all, if no one admits it? They are wiretapping the phone calls? - they can't I guess.
Even if they do, if no one explicitly say that they are paying for sex, then what is the proof?
If the escort is leaving the room with the money before anything happens then returns to the room without the money and clock starts, then again what is the proof?
Only scenario I can imagine this works would be an undercover garda woman trick the punter into a situation where she or the punter is saying on record that money is for sex and money changes hand.
But I'm not a lawyer I just watched too much movies.
Anyone here with legal studies?

[Ballsup]

Hi guys, Is this law in effect or not? Anyone knows? Trying to read through the thread but I can't find definite answer.
Also, how is this nonsense supposed to work? How can they prove that at all, if no one admits it? They are wiretapping the phone calls? - they can't I guess.
Even if they do, if no one explicitly say that they are paying for sex, then what is the proof?
If the escort is leaving the room with the money before anything happens then returns to the room without the money and clock starts, then again what is the proof?
Only scenario I can imagine this works would be an undercover garda woman trick the punter into a situation where she or the punter is saying on record that money is for sex and money changes hand.
But I'm not a lawyer I just watched too much movies.
Anyone here with legal studies?

It is in but will be a few months before it up and running. Sadly its going to an All Ireland, cross border initiative now and fair play to the PSNI as they were not bothering much but will have to get involved more now