new bill criminalising the purchase of sex

[DonnyDarko]

but is it not up to the garda to prove it. if you just keep denying it, what can he do? can he search through your phone without a warrant??? or will we end up swallowing sim cards for fun???

easily proved, think about it

[Dom Dunn]

easily proved, think about it

Depends very much on the circumstances really. If you are caught naked in a premises which could be defined as a brothel you would not have a leg to stand on. Guilty as charged.
However, if a cop feels your collar outside an apartment which houses an independent lady working on her own it is a whole different ballgame. The only way the police could prove a case in these circumstances would be if
the escort gave evidence in court to confirm that you payed her for a sexual service. Alternatively, they could but only with a certain amount of difficulty construct a circumstancial case (perhaps if they confiscated your phone)
which proved that you purchased or attempted to purchase a sexual service. This would be a fairly complex and time consuming matter involving the DPP et al and is not likely to be used on a regular basis imo.
The golden rule unless you are offered a "deal" by the cops is to say SFA to them when arrested/questioned and take it from there.

[ts-shemale-rammer]

I have heard it said that The Swedish Pigs have forced fully independent sex workers to rat on clients by threatening to have their children put into care, threatening to inform their landlords and confiscating all their earnings for 'evidence', this is in spite of the fact that a sex worker working independently has committed no crime ( 2 or more working from the same apartment constitutes a brothel there as here and is illegal!)
BTW the threat to put children into care works because this law has successfully sublimated into the general public's consciousness that sex work is stigamtised justifiably and that sex workers are voluntarily giving into their own exploitation and as such must be mentally ill, that's how completely fucking sick this law and most of its proponents are!

Where do you heard that hun? Jag har aldrig hört talas om detta ( i never heard about this )

[Bucko]

Where do you heard that hun? Jag har aldrig hört talas om detta ( i never heard about this )

He means well but i think he makes half of this shit up to scare peeps into action.
The worst kind of information is misinformation.

[IrishSarahBarra]

I have heard it from two Swedish girls that the police play very dirty there.

I don't know what kind of girls they are or how they work, could be shockers but I can imagine the Swedes being a little more cut throat about things.

Girls were portrayed as victims to get the law passed in Ireland and that is how they are being viewed now.

I don't know would the guards have the Swedish attitude in them or at the least, I don't think they would they want to be seen acting that way towards victims.

Does anyone know the differences between the law there and the law here?

[Binlid]

What if an escort visits you in a hotel, how would the guards be able to track that?

[The Libertarian]

He means well but i think he makes half of this shit up to scare peeps into action.
The worst kind of information is misinformation.

I do mean well and I make nothing up!

[The Libertarian]

Where do you heard that hun? Jag har aldrig hört talas om detta ( i never heard about this )

I have heard it from two Swedish girls that the police play very dirty there.

I don't know what kind of girls they are or how they work, could be shockers but I can imagine the Swedes being a little more cut throat about things.

Girls were portrayed as victims to get the law passed in Ireland and that is how they are being viewed now.

I don't know would the guards have the Swedish attitude in them or at the least, I don't think they would they want to be seen acting that way towards victims.

Does anyone know the differences between the law there and the law here?

A few things on this -

1 I got the information on the nasty nature of how the Swedish Pigz 'police' this law from reading many forum posts on the matter in various sites, they are nasty cuntz, arguably sociopathic/boderline psychpathic when they get going!



That video indicates that the 2 Swedish Cops in it were prepared to let a trafficked woman be effectively repeatedly raped raped in order to collect easy fines by hanging outside the apartment where she was based!

2 Also I'm sure you are familiar with Pye Jakobsen, a great Swedish Sex workers' rights actvist, she and organizations she has been involved with, would have done a lot of work on how sex workers in Sweden have been abused by this madness -

https://ruthjacobs.co.uk/2014/03/17/...den-interview/

https://www.hri.global/files/2010/05..._Jakobsson.pdf

3 What are the likely differences in The Swedish approach to enforcing it relative to The Paddy way -

Well in Sweden, no punter has ever went to prison under it and its been around 20 years in operation! Essentially, it's about forcing a punter to admit to his crime and get an easy fine, they don't seem to give a shit about the safety of the sex worker, whom they have been conditioned to believe is either an active and willing participant in her own oppression (Stockholm Syndrome), or mentally ill or both, all of which are highly ofensive and abusive to sex workers and don't stand up to scrutiny!
So there is a similarity between the Swedish law and The Paddy version at least in so far as a punter here will get a slap on the wrist fine in that it's about making sex workers suffer the most!
I would have said thar The Irish or British Police would most likely have a more of a maternalistic approach to policing this law than The Swedes, re giving sex workers the benefit of any doubt and possibly clients as well.
However, from what Laura Lee recently said in a radio interview, i have been disavowed of this naieve view in relation to Pigz in the Republic -

http://thevivastreetpodcast.libsyn.com/laura-lee

Laura openly states in this interview that the PSNI in Northern Ireland have been compassionate in their enforcement of The Nordie Version of this law, but down here, even without this law having been enacted, the Pigz/Guards have been involved in the rapes of sex workers, robberies of sex workers and general assaults of sex workers and to any remotely civiilized human being, this is remarkably serious!

Also one difference which I can absolutely guarantee to the last in relation to the enforcement of this law, in Sweden it is enforced without class bias, indeed even The DPP was arrested under it, In The Republic of Ireland it will never be enforced against 'The great and The Good', who have literally got away with murder in many cases anyway and it will only ever be enforced against pigz by other pigz, if they deliberately want to target a specific pig for some reason, totally unrelated to that crime!

Another likely difference is that there is a lower burden of proof under Swedish Law to gain a conviction for any crime in general, so it's a little harder for The Irish Pigz to get a sucessful conviction!

[The Libertarian]

Oh and another thing there was a concerted effort which was sucessful under the previous prostitution law to close down massage parlours in Dublin in the 90s and while it was not against the law for a client to visit one, the Pigz were known on occassion to go so far as to visit a client's place of work to harrass them into giving statements against sex workers working in those establishments, so they have a track record of playing very dirty when pressure is applied on them by their bosses to get convictions! In the sex work history of Ireland, given the apparent sucessful clean up of Dublin Brothels/massage parlours in the 90s, it's a bit surprising that other ones came into being and weren't targeted with such gusto, when you thinlk about it!

[Sexy Sandy 69]

Depends very much on the circumstances really. If you are caught naked in a premises which could be defined as a brothel you would not have a leg to stand on. Guilty as charged.
However, if a cop feels your collar outside an apartment which houses an independent lady working on her own it is a whole different ballgame. The only way the police could prove a case in these circumstances would be if
the escort gave evidence in court to confirm that you payed her for a sexual service. Alternatively, they could but only with a certain amount of difficulty construct a circumstancial case (perhaps if they confiscated your phone)
which proved that you purchased or attempted to purchase a sexual service. This would be a fairly complex and time consuming matter involving the DPP et al and is not likely to be used on a regular basis imo.
The golden rule unless you are offered a "deal" by the cops is to say SFA to them when arrested/questioned and take it from there.

It is worth remembering that the Gardai cannot enter premises without a search warrant, if they turn up at the door with no warrant, you don't let them in.

Sandy x