Terminology and general vagueness

[collinsp]

It gets confusing here sometimes when people use certain terms that, in the absence of a clear definition, seem to mean different things to different people.

It was also noticeable the confusion that exists around how people interpret the various adverts (whether people interpret listed services as being included, or just that they're available and that they may cost extra).

I hate semantic arguments, and I've been involved in a couple in the past couple of days. The 2 terms that were being interpreted differently were 'independent', and 'basic'. I think this is an important point because, unless it's cleared up, it could affect the perception of certain girls.

'Independent' should not have any ambiguity associated with it. It's clear enough to me what it means. In the argument I was having last night, the other party assumed that 'independent' meant the girl was sitting in an apartment on her own. Accusing someone of not being 'independent' is pretty serious, even if the accuser interprets it differently to it's actual meaning.

'Basic' is something I still don't get. My understanding of 'basic' service was that a certain fee would get you in the door. If you're lucky you get to hold hands. Anything more is extra (see the '50 Euro Escort' thread). My experiences with all of the girls I've seen have been, to my mind, anything but basic. Yet here's this term being thrown around, probably meaning different things to different people, which results in everyone interpreting it differently.

I think this is more of a rant than anything else. People (myself included) are having arguments where I'm arguing blue is grey, with another person who's arguing that yellow is green. ie: a big waste of time.

I guess it's due to the general lack of consistency, but it would be hard to enforce such consistency, given the nature of the business.

Anyway, rant over.

[SteveB]

People often use vague terms (like basic) in reviews to avoid specific terms that they know will not get past the mods.

[SteveB]

I would agree with you about the service always being more than "basic".
But "basic" can mean basic compared to what has been experienced with some others.
When you see a really good escort or one that you “click” with, expectations tend to rise.

[redforever]

It gets confusing here sometimes when people use certain terms that, in the absence of a clear definition, seem to mean different things to different people.

It was also noticeable the confusion that exists around how people interpret the various adverts (whether people interpret listed services as being included, or just that they're available and that they may cost extra).

I hate semantic arguments, and I've been involved in a couple in the past couple of days. The 2 terms that were being interpreted differently were 'independent', and 'basic'. I think this is an important point because, unless it's cleared up, it could affect the perception of certain girls.

'Independent' should not have any ambiguity associated with it. It's clear enough to me what it means. In the argument I was having last night, the other party assumed that 'independent' meant the girl was sitting in an apartment on her own. Accusing someone of not being 'independent' is pretty serious, even if the accuser interprets it differently to it's actual meaning.

'Basic' is something I still don't get. My understanding of 'basic' service was that a certain fee would get you in the door. If you're lucky you get to hold hands. Anything more is extra (see the '50 Euro Escort' thread). My experiences with all of the girls I've seen have been, to my mind, anything but basic. Yet here's this term being thrown around, probably meaning different things to different people, which results in everyone interpreting it differently.

I think this is more of a rant than anything else. People (myself included) are having arguments where I'm arguing blue is grey, with another person who's arguing that yellow is green. ie: a big waste of time.

I guess it's due to the general lack of consistency, but it would be hard to enforce such consistency, given the nature of the business.

Anyway, rant over.

Pretty basic post really

[collinsp]

Pretty basic post really

ha ha, here we go again

[collinsp]

I would agree with you about the service always being more than "basic".
But "basic" can mean basic compared to what has been experienced with some others.
When you see a really good escort or one that you “click” with, expectations tend to rise.

yeah, and that's the point exactly. But to say someone offers a pretty basic service, without providing any context (or basis), is unfair imo.

[Curvaceous Kate]

Independent in Ireland technically does mean a sex worker on their own. It is also the way that many Independent sex workers choose to work. However it can also mean a sex worker who arranges all their own accommodation and bookings and has no financial input or expenses owed to another person. If they choose to work in the same place as another person they are still Independent (as with the New Zealand law) which acknowledges this and allows Independent workers to join forces as long as they all keep their own wages.

The ambiguity exists due to a stupid law that does not allow more than one person to work from any given place. This is why it is very cloak and dagger and people don't like to say if they are working alone (safety) or if they work in a shared place (legally).

For that reason there really isn't a solution to your problem, as it's a subject that can't be openly given a straight answer.

[SteveB]

Independent in Ireland technically does mean a sex worker on their own. It is also the way that many Independent sex workers choose to work. However it can also mean a sex worker who arranges all their own accommodation and bookings and has no financial input or expenses owed to another person. If they choose to work in the same place as another person they are still Independent (as with the New Zealand law) which acknowledges this and allows Independent workers to join forces as long as they all keep their own wages.

The ambiguity exists due to a stupid law that does not allow more than one person to work from any given place. This is why it is very cloak and dagger and people don't like to say if they are working alone (safety) or if they work in a shared place (legally).

For that reason there really isn't a solution to your problem, as it's a subject that can't be openly given a straight answer.

Just about sums it up.
Escorting has many areas where a clear straight answer cannot (and should not) be given unfortunately.
Even asking certain questions that give rise to speculation can be ill-advised in the current climate.

[bizmann]

Independent in Ireland technically does mean a sex worker on their own. It is also the way that many Independent sex workers choose to work. However it can also mean a sex worker who arranges all their own accommodation and bookings and has no financial input or expenses owed to another person. If they choose to work in the same place as another person they are still Independent (as with the New Zealand law) which acknowledges this and allows Independent workers to join forces as long as they all keep their own wages.

The ambiguity exists due to a stupid law that does not allow more than one person to work from any given place. This is why it is very cloak and dagger and people don't like to say if they are working alone (safety) or if they work in a shared place (legally).

For that reason there really isn't a solution to your problem, as it's a subject that can't be openly given a straight answer.

Thanks for that comprehensive answer, what may be obvious to some isn't to others, like those of us who visit Ireland from elsewhere!

[Curvaceous Kate]

Seriously? Why would anyone thank my post on here and then take it off again? I guess I'm not on someone's xmas card list for next year lol. Funny bunnies!