debate 2016

[gonzo76]

This is not a popularity contest. Trump knows that. Say what you like about the guy, but he loves his country and is a real patriot. Clinton is only in it for her own personal prestige and to enrich herself and the family name. I think a lot of Americans have seen through her veneer to the hypocrisy . Everyone thinks Trump is going to going straight for the nuclear button when he gets into power, it will probably be the opposite. He's no interest in the problems of other countries and he will probably start pulling out troops from these countries. I know he's said some very racist stuff about muslins and mexicans, but I don't believe he's going to turf them all out. But you can be sure he's going to firm up all the laws regarding illegal imigrants off which there are millions possibly Billions including Irish.
You look at Australia, they let no one into their country, unless you have something to offer them. Either you're well educated or you can enhance your community in some way. Most the illegals in america be it mexicans or other ethnic minorities, seldom give anything back into the social system as they live and work in the black market.
He will also try to change and cut out any tax breaks that big american corporations benefit from in other countries. This will not be a good thing for Ireland but it will for america. You see's he not out to make friends, but just to make america great again.

I personally think America's fucked either way. They Vote in Clinton and the status quo remains america keeps meddling in other peoples affairs while middle america suffers. Or you Vote in a Gobshite that probably has America's best interests at heart but will be constantly on the back foot because he says a lot of the stuff other people are thinking.

Well there's a lot in there, but I think to call trump a patriot is a bit rich. This is a guy who avoided the war draft five or six times by getting a bogus medical certificate. He denigrates war heroes, and is so cavalier about suggesting that he will go to war with anyone. Easy when none of your kids are in the military.


He complains about the Chinese producing cheap steel then he buys it and uses it in his buildings. He complains about losing American jobs but is one of the Great outsourcers. Make America great again baseball hats with made in Vietnam on the tag inside.

A patriot?

The only person trump cares about is trump. His repeated incompetence is hilarious in the extreme until you consider he could now be in a position to bankrupt the country instead of just his own companies.

He is a wealthy man, but he got to where he is by beginning as an extremely wealthy man and then steadily losing it.

Hillary is certainly no shining star, but by comparison there really is only one choice.

[gonzo76]

How many Haitians lost more than their houses at the hands of the Clinton's, who made millions out of a charity that's never been audited. They are the danger, steal a phrase from Walter White.

Trump foundation issued a cease and desist notification from state of New York for operating without the correct legal documentation, it was used to procure, illegally, services in Cuba. It was used to pay bribes to the attorney General in Florida, and it was used to make trump companies money. It was also used to buy "artwork" for the personal benefit of trump himself.

A good debate, for sure, but is there any evidence of wrongdoing in Haiti? Is it really the Clinton foundation or is it any organisation that operates at any level there. Haiti is pretty much in the top five countries for corruption. Are they better too walk away and do nothing there? Which is about as much as trump's foundation is doing there. Or anywhere, for that matter...

Politifact has looked into the Clintons involvement in their foundation and their benefit from it. If you're interested, you can read their summary here:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...nal-benefit-f/

[Lucy Chambers]

US is not largest military force.

I'd say Russia was. It's a bit odd how everyone's freaking out about Trump and none noticed Putin recalling all diplomats and moving his nuclear missiles to point at the west from the Polish border.


Say, you don't think that might be the plan?

[Half Pint]

so who winning the debates so far, who come out on top

[gonzo76]

so who winning the debates so far, who come out on top

Clinton, by a country mile. Polling has her with a significant lead, and >80% chance of winning.

[SteveB]

Clinton, by a country mile. Polling has her with a significant lead, and >80% chance of winning.

Not a case of who is the best candidate, but who is the least worse.

[Half Pint]

Clinton, by a country mile. Polling has her with a significant lead, and >80% chance of winning.

a woman with all that power, is that good thing

[SteveB]

Now, where is that button............

[gonzo76]

Not a case of who is the best candidate, but who is the least worse.

Agreed. She is less worse than trump. But much less worse!

[AbidingPond]

Like they say on South Park, it's like choosing between a giant douche and turd sandwich.