Sexual Offenses Bill to be Considered this week and voted on.

[MidlifeCrisis]

Lads, this bill is likely to be debated in the Dail today, if not tomorrow and the thread on Conor Cruise O'Brien is up ahead of it, until this reply, as it has not received any other reply within about 12 hours!
What did I say about us getting complacent on this one?
All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing!

No complacency here. I have contributed to threads on this many times before, and am grateful to you and others who know a bit about legislative procedure for keeping us informed.

I think there is not much more to say at this point though. It is here. It is happening. All we can do is wait and see whether it gets enforced aggressively and hope we don't draw the short straw.

[Dom Dunn]

No complacency here. I have contributed to threads on this many times before, and am grateful to you and others who know a bit about legislative procedure for keeping us informed.

I think there is not much more to say at this point though. It is here. It is happening. All we can do is wait and see whether it gets enforced aggressively and hope we don't draw the short straw.

Maybe there is more we can do Midlife. Well some of us can anyway. When the Gardai start busting guys -and they will be salivating at the thought of it- we could organise dignified peaceful protests at court venues. The same for escorts who are hauled before the magistrates. This would send a message to the authorities that they are not going to be able to get away with naming and shaming people in public without a retaliation. We could also actively try to raise money for a legal challenge and public awareness campaign. We can start a campaign to have the next government carry out a review of this piece of nonsense.We could set about finding ways to help folk you are victims of this and other legislation constraining sex work. All these measures will make it more difficult for the Old Bill to enforce the law aggressively. Do I expect anything like this to happen the hell I don't indeed most on here would run a mile and as you put it hope they don't draw the short straw.

[lapd]

Complacency good god! How are a handful of anonymous guys on a pseudo illegal site going to get 200 plus elected representatives to change a law ??.Which by the way is not all bad. As I said before vast majority of escorts and clients on here will have nothing to worry about. The guards will go after trafficked and brothels and street girls first and then gang operations. Only way 1- 2 girls in apartment are going to be in trouble is if neighbours or cheesed off punter complains.
The main problem I see for you guys is HARD Brexit girls won't come from UK Is stg is same rate. AND another new law announced yesterday in UK landlords will face CRIMINAL charges if they let property to non national without work visa, and from next March non national is anyone not holding UK passport.
Have a nice day.

[The Libertarian]

Complacency good god! How are a handful of anonymous guys on a pseudo illegal site going to get 200 plus elected representatives to change a law ??.Which by the way is not all bad. As I said before vast majority of escorts and clients on here will have nothing to worry about. The guards will go after trafficked and brothels and street girls first and then gang operations. Only way 1- 2 girls in apartment are going to be in trouble is if neighbours or cheesed off punter complains.
The main problem I see for you guys is HARD Brexit girls won't come from UK Is stg is same rate. AND another new law announced yesterday in UK landlords will face CRIMINAL charges if they let property to non national without work visa, and from next March non national is anyone not holding UK passport.
Have a nice day.

While I sincerely hope you are right on this one! My use of the term 'complacency' was meant to mean that most of us are assuming that more or less nothing will change. Apparently that was the exact same attitude, well more denial really that Swedish Punters had before that vile law came in and we all know of the consequences there!
I think the Pigz will go after easy punters to target (i.e. not the great and the good or their own, but working class ladz, that's always been their MOD in this country!)
I think undoutedl leave!
BTW re this site being 'pseudo illegal', it's actually fully legal and this is in the face of THE JOC on prostitution law reform, which completely insanely recommended that anybody accessing any escort related site be criminalized at the level of a Paedophile downloading scenes of children being raped and abused, that's an indickation of the level our political class is at in terms of frothing at the mouth to introduce sex worker hating laws!

[Arthur Guinness]

My take on this is that when this comes in the game is up.

I'm either going to see 3 or 4 girls that i would in my mind put in a favourites category and that I know for sure work alone in top class secure accommodation that I trust and would completely limit my risk

Or

I'm going to have to bow out of the Irish scene as the rewards for me in my position would not outweigh the risk.

[grypwr85]

With regards to the Gardai resources being stretched, when has that ever mattered? The Gardai have made it quite clear over the last couple of years, particularly with the water protests, that they will always go for the easy targets. We live in a country where elderly women are jailed for the crime of not being able to afford a TV licence, yet bankers who blatantly ripped of the state walk free. It would be foolish to assume that the Gardai won't be all over this new law when it's introduced. We can talk all we want about denying the act, and how it will be difficult for the Gardai to prove a transaction took place, but let's be honest here, the Gardai aren't the big thickos we see in Father Ted or D'unbelievables, they know exactly what they're doing and are trained to put pressure on a suspect until he or she folds.
I for one will be quitting punting when the law is in. I just couldn't be bothered having to take such a risk every time, and not to mention the consequences of employers finding out. You will always be known as the guy who got caught with a prostitute. It's a sad state of affairs that there is less condemnation in being caught with a load of drugs than being caught paying for a service from a consenting adult that is 100% legal if done for free.

[Arthur Guinness]

With regards to the Gardai resources being stretched, when has that ever mattered? The Gardai have made it quite clear over the last couple of years, particularly with the water protests, that they will always go for the easy targets. We live in a country where elderly women are jailed for the crime of not being able to afford a TV licence, yet bankers who blatantly ripped of the state walk free. It would be foolish to assume that the Gardai won't be all over this new law when it's introduced. We can talk all we want about denying the act, and how it will be difficult for the Gardai to prove a transaction took place, but let's be honest here, the Gardai aren't the big thickos we see in Father Ted or D'unbelievables, they know exactly what they're doing and are trained to put pressure on a suspect until he or she folds.
I for one will be quitting punting when the law is in. I just couldn't be bothered having to take such a risk every time, and not to mention the consequences of employers finding out. You will always be known as the guy who got caught with a prostitute. It's a sad state of affairs that there is less condemnation in being caught with a load of drugs than being caught paying for a service from a consenting adult that is 100% legal if done for free.

Unfortunately mate there can be no arguing wit anything you've said here

[willie wacker]

With regards to the Gardai resources being stretched, when has that ever mattered? The Gardai have made it quite clear over the last couple of years, particularly with the water protests, that they will always go for the easy targets. We live in a country where elderly women are jailed for the crime of not being able to afford a TV licence, yet bankers who blatantly ripped of the state walk free. It would be foolish to assume that the Gardai won't be all over this new law when it's introduced. We can talk all we want about denying the act, and how it will be difficult for the Gardai to prove a transaction took place, but let's be honest here, the Gardai aren't the big thickos we see in Father Ted or D'unbelievables, they know exactly what they're doing and are trained to put pressure on a suspect until he or she folds.
I for one will be quitting punting when the law is in. I just couldn't be bothered having to take such a risk every time, and not to mention the consequences of employers finding out. You will always be known as the guy who got caught with a prostitute. It's a sad state of affairs that there is less condemnation in being caught with a load of drugs than being caught paying for a service from a consenting adult that is 100% legal if done for free.

Sadly your right
Where there is revenue to be collect for the exchecker
The guard will find the resources

[annabel taylor]

Easy targets

OK let's play how many girls are advertised here 700?
Let's say at a very conservative guess fifty per cent share
That's 350 or 150 odd apartments giving for More than 2
Sharing is currently an offence..

Yet its rare you see girls arrested for it when you think the number and how easy it is to catch us

Sitting ducks with lots of evidence

I mean you can shut down apartments name and shame court cases I mean its literally shooting fish in a barrell

Ye are all losing the head because the shoe on the other foot
I weigh up my risks always versus the pro's
But I dont get dramatic about it I think what are the real ods not the Sunday world odds not the pleasant sound bite but the cold hard facts the real odds
You don't ask a Garda how much a crop of weed is they over inflate you ask the dealer the people who are in the industry living it every day. Who like me weigh up the odds

My view is I'm not overly bothered

[milkman]

Way too much common sense there ,Annabel , for this thread.

Bottom line is that the guards monitor the site . Are fully aware of the exact locations of where brothels exist all over the country . Have already got the laws to make life very difficult for the escorts and the clients (taking details on a raid) but dont raid as much as they could . Prostitution is well down on the list of priorities and a raid is probably set due to neighbours complaining about men serially entering a premises.

Brothels in towns will certainly be affected. Blatantly known brothels in cities will be affected.

Visiting escorts in hotels will be fine or for those really concerned ,organise an outcall with a bonafide known indie and consider the extra cost as an insurance premium.

Some people will obviously stop meeting escorts which is certainly the right thing to do if thats what they feel comfortable.

But as the evidence shows in Sweden , younger men are more and more becoming engaged in visiting escorts - it will be no different here . What will be interesting is whether escorts will still work via E-I or merely start offering non-sexual massage services via other means which of course is up for discussion when the meet takes place.