Legalisation.

[Dom Dunn]

The opposition to the insanity seems to be grown, with John Halligan, PBP, Claire Daly, Mick Wallace and The Greens (their new T.D. has strongly questioned Fitzgerald about it) opposing it. It's a real pity that the rubbish in the Labour Party (though Howlin has criticized the insane FF proposal to confiscate escorts' earnings) and the Socialist Party and The Shinners seem to be gagging for it to be introduced!

SF voted for it up North so not likely to change their minds. There will be a big vote to pass it because of the party whips but opposition may slow it down and perhaps introduce some amendments and maybe a decision to review it after 3 years. Sadly boys and girls its on its way. But does anybody out there want to challenge it in the courts down here?

[FetishCherry]

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/t...ed-748063.html

Is pissed me off this comment : Same could be said for cannabis, you're not going to stop people using it, so legalise it tax it and regulate it. I personally don't see why there is a need for people to use prostitutes unless they aren't attractive to begin with. Other wise they wouldn't need to pay for it which I find disgusting and repulsive. If you legalise it, human trafficking will actually likely increase as they will be "open for business".

So is not a stigma attached to escorts but is a stigma attached and to our clients too. So they are all not good looking in vision of this retard who commented( i have a feeling is a woman who comment) . There are tons of clients good looking stupid bitch who posted this comment , guys have many reasons to visit escorts not being good looking not being between reasons. u find disgusting paying an escort? i find disgusting paying all expenses for your gf and get sex once in a 3 months and i find disgusting people liek u who judge other people decisions and life.

[milkman]

I believe once the law will be introduced , a cse will be taken ..

The impending law has been a long time coming - its introduction will be the necessary step to intiate its very own overturning in court - a case of lancing the boil per se.

Hard to see how the law ,particularly if brothel-keeping is kept illegal , could pass muster in court .(Hard to see how the state can interefere in the consentual sexual predilictions of adults- already laws on the stauttes for pimping or trafficking) .

[SteveB]

I believe once the law will be introduced , a cse will be taken ..

The impending law has been a long time coming - its introduction will be the necessary step to intiate its very own overturning in court - a case of lancing the boil per se.

Hard to see how the law ,particularly if brothel-keeping is kept illegal , could pass muster in court .(Hard to see how the state can interefere in the consentual [sexual] predilictions of adults- already laws on the stauttes for pimping or trafficking) .

Sunday trading laws are only one example of how the state does this to pander to the wishes of the religious vote.

[AbidingPond]

He has the look of a punter alright.

lol I know right. That's what I thought as soon as I saw his picture.

[MisterSmith8091]

For now consider yourselves lucky you aren't from Ulster. The shitheads will never get their fucking heads out of the bible and the troubles and into the real world to make any positive changes to make Ulster the strong economy it once was.

Pack of idiotic charlatans and morons.

[Curvaceous Kate]

Sorry Kate but I don't understand what it is you are trying to say or has your quote been edited?

If what this lone voice is calling for is 'Legalisation' then he is still moving in the wrong direction. Sex Workers do not want Legalisation, the want decriminalisation. The fact is that the nature of the job makes it too intimate, too unique and too precious for someone to be able to put rules forward that make it fair and safe for each person. Amnesty international did the research and concluded that De-criminalization was the fair way forward and this is the way that most Sex Workers think too.

It might seem like a step in the right direction to call for legalisation, but in truth it would only cause more problems, rapes and disaster for those involved that have little choice and dare I say it, working under the radar by those of us that want a future out of sex work at some point.

Does it make more sense now?

[MisterSmith8091]

If what this lone voice is calling for is 'Legalisation' then he is still moving in the wrong direction. Sex Workers do not want Legalisation, the want decriminalisation. The fact is that the nature of the job makes it too intimate, too unique and too precious for someone to be able to put rules forward that make it fair and safe for each person. Amnesty international did the research and concluded that De-criminalization was the fair way forward and this is the way that most Sex Workers think too.

It might seem like a step in the right direction to call for legalisation, but in truth it would only cause more problems, rapes and disaster for those involved that have little choice and dare I say it, working under the radar by those of us that want a future out of sex work at some point.

Does it make more sense now?

Surely the best way forward is the Australian Model? Where Brothel's are Legal, and have their own strict regulations to uphold, and Escorting is too.

After all, when they introduced it there was a widespread drop in rapes, sexual assault, and sexual violence. And due to the regulations put in place it became safer for everyone involved, so safe in fact that seeing an Escort or a Prostitute in a Brothel was 99% safe for all involved, because everyone is protected equally by the law.

[Curvaceous Kate]

Surely the best way forward is the Australian Model? Where Brothel's are Legal, and have their own strict regulations to uphold, and Escorting is too.

After all, when they introduced it there was a widespread drop in rapes, sexual assault, and sexual violence. And due to the regulations put in place it became safer for everyone involved, so safe in fact that seeing an Escort or a Prostitute in a Brothel was 99% safe for all involved, because everyone is protected equally by the law.

Are you talking about the whole of Australia as I'm under the impression that it is only certain areas of Australia that have legalisation. I know of several Escorts who have worked here in Ireland that have gone over to Australia to work and have not chosen to work in brothels, so I can tell you that this is not the case 100%.

It is better to eliminate the stigma and make things like health checks more readily available than making it part of a restriction of work.

By legalising you are creating a situation where the people involved in sex work have very little option for the future, as people will always have opinions on those involved in sex for work. For instance if I were to work in a legalized situation and took a degree in law. How likely I am to then be able to get a job in law with a respected company when I have to declare that my previous job was in a brothel and my reference is supplied by a brothel owner?

Many areas of work require a certificate to show that you are able to do the job that you are doing. I have no problem with this as an option. As in supply a certificate to show that I have a clean and healthy record health wise, although currently in Ireland this is not something that you get. They only contact you if there is something wrong. Perhaps they could charge a nominal fee for the paperwork to provide information of this kind?

In New Zealand they are more interested in letting people work in a way that suits them and safely. Up to 3 or it might be 4? sex workers may work together, as long as no one is profiting from the other. This is not classed as a brothel, as each person is independent, but it does provide safety, which is what we are crying out for here.

For me brothels create a work place that detracts from what I want to offer. Personally I am not there to be selected from various women like a piece of meat. I don't want to be an 'impulse buy' and I want to provide surroundings that aluminate my own personality and needs. I'm not sure how you could do that in a brothel. I'm also sure that many people that frequent sex workers are also looking for something more personable, interactive and intimate. This also means that you are only actually providing for a certain percentage of clients, which leaves the others without or looking outside the law for something that realistically speaking is much more natural and relaxed.

With regards to rape are you saying that before this they had no sex workers at all? Or there are less rapes for sex workers? Surely simply letting sex workers choose who they work with is a far better way to control this than making them part of a line up? Consider the persons humility, their ability and their future and legalisation is not the option to go for or the one we want.

[MisterSmith8091]

Are you talking about the whole of Australia as I'm under the impression that it is only certain areas of Australia that have legalisation. I know of several Escorts who have worked here in Ireland that have gone over to Australia to work and have not chosen to work in brothels, so I can tell you that this is not the case 100%.

It is better to eliminate the stigma and make things like health checks more readily available than making it part of a restriction of work.

By legalising you are creating a situation where the people involved in sex work have very little option for the future, as people will always have opinions on those involved in sex for work. For instance if I were to work in a legalized situation and took a degree in law. How likely I am to then be able to get a job in law with a respected company when I have to declare that my previous job was in a brothel and my reference is supplied by a brothel owner?

Many areas of work require a certificate to show that you are able to do the job that you are doing. I have no problem with this as an option. As in supply a certificate to show that I have a clean and healthy record health wise, although currently in Ireland this is not something that you get. They only contact you if there is something wrong. Perhaps they could charge a nominal fee for the paperwork to provide information of this kind?

In New Zealand they are more interested in letting people work in a way that suits them and safely. Up to 3 or it might be 4? sex workers may work together, as long as no one is profiting from the other. This is not classed as a brothel, as each person is independent, but it does provide safety, which is what we are crying out for here.

For me brothels create a work place that detracts from what I want to offer. Personally I am not there to be selected from various women like a piece of meat. I don't want to be an 'impulse buy' and I want to provide surroundings that aluminate my own personality and needs. I'm not sure how you could do that in a brothel. I'm also sure that many people that frequent sex workers are also looking for something more personable, interactive and intimate. This also means that you are only actually providing for a certain percentage of clients, which leaves the others without or looking outside the law for something that realistically speaking is much more natural and relaxed.

With regards to rape are you saying that before this they had no sex workers at all? Or there are less rapes for sex workers? Surely simply letting sex workers choose who they work with is a far better way to control this than making them part of a line up? Consider the persons humility, their ability and their future and legalisation is not the option to go for or the one we want.

Ahh, I get what you are saying now, Legalisation yeah has the possibility of making the work safer, but comes with its own hoops to jump through like any job, and leave a footprint behind you and its accompanying stigma. I never looked at it that way.

Yeah, its only the Eastern half of Australia where Brothels are legalised and regulated, the the West Prostitution is legal, but unregulated and brothels are illegal.

I see your point that the Stigma must be removed, and I think it may become a reality in the next 20-30 Years, but not soon, due to Society and its attitudes.

And I didn't mean to seem as though I advocated brothels, I was just relaying facts is all, no offence intended.

As for the last part of your argument. I was not advocating any part of your closing statement. It was simply that Rapes and Sexual Violence towards Sex Workers were more common, as they were not protected either legally or physically (Bouncers and Bodyguards). And you imply that in the Australian Brothel's girls have no choice, but they do, and they aren't part of a 'line up' either in the vast majority of them.

The Brothels operate as a Bar, the girls inside are Prostitutes and the Client's simply go up and talk to the ones they like, the girl can refuse, or engage with the Client, discuss anything under the sun, including what he/she would like to do, and they go upstairs, the client is checked for STI's and Hygiene, and then and only then do they carry on.

I will end this by saying I have never been to a Brothel nor will I ever visit one, as you said, it doesn't feel as natural as meeting an Escort, spending time chatting and getting to know one another first.

Prostitution and how it should be treated is a serious debate, and needs to be understood better. If Politicians weren't such arrogant fucks they would approach people like you Miss Kate, and others like you, to get a better understanding of what needs to be and should be done.