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    French MPs have passed a law that makes it illegal to pay for sex and imposes fines of up to 3,750 (3,027, $4,274) for those buying sexual acts.

    Those convicted would also have to attend classes to learn about the conditions faced by prostitutes.

    It has taken more than two years to pass the controversial legislation because of differences between the two houses of parliament over the issue.

    Some sex workers protested against the law during the final debate.

    The demonstrators outside parliament in Paris, numbering about 60, carried banners and placards one of which read: "Don't liberate me, I'll take care of myself".

    Members of the Strass sex workers' union say the law will affect the livelihoods of France's sex workers, estimated to number between 30,000 and 40,000.

    Sweden was the first country to criminalise those who pay for sex rather than the prostitutes, introducing the law in 1999. Other countries have since adopted the so-called "Nordic model": Norway in 2008, Iceland in 2009, and Northern Ireland in 2014. Earlier this year, the European parliament approved a resolution calling for the law to be adopted throughout the continent.

    But many advocacy groups warn the model makes sex work more dangerous.

    Catherine Stephens, an activist with the UK-based International Union of Sex Workers, and a sex worker herself, says criminalisation makes those in the industry "much more likely to have to accept clients who are obscuring their identity, which benefits people who want to perpetrate violence".

    Ms Stephens told the BBC that criminalising those who wish to purchase sex makes them less likely to report concerns about a sex worker's wellbeing.

    "We have had cases where clients have helped people escape from situations of coercion ... Criminalising the client actively works against that, discouraging them from coming forward. We need to create a situation in which it is easy to report harm, violence and coercion. Blanket criminalisation of premises, brothels, or clients absolutely works against that."
    Amnesty International says that laws against buying sex "mean that sex workers have to take more risks to protect buyers from detection by the police". The charity says sex workers have reported being asked to visit customers' homes to help them avoid police, instead of meeting them in safer environments.

    Supporters of the law argue that it increases safety. Anne-Cecile Mailfert, the president of the Women's Foundation in France, which provides support to women's rights organisations, says sex workers are better able to seek police protection if they need it.

    She told the BBC: "We are giving to the prostituted person a new tool to defend themselves and protect themselves. If they don't want to do that then actually they just don't have to call the police. But if anything happens, if the client is violent, if anything wrong happens, then now they have the law on their side."

    The legislation will also make it easier for foreign prostitutes to get a temporary residence permit in France if they agree to find jobs outside prostitution, says Socialist MP Maud Olivier, who sponsored the legislation.

    He told the Associated Press: "The most important aspect of this law is to accompany prostitutes and give them identity papers, because we know that 85% of prostitutes here are victims of trafficking."

    The law was passed in the final vote on the bill in the lower house of parliament by 64 to 12 with 11 abstentions. It supersedes legislation from 2003 that penalised sex workers for soliciting.

    Prostitution itself is not a crime in France, but pimping, human trafficking, brothels and and buying sex from a minor are all already against the law.


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    Quote Originally Posted by justfrank44 View Post
    French MPs have passed a law that makes it illegal to pay for sex and imposes fines of up to €3,750 (3,027, $4,274) for those buying sexual acts.

    Those convicted would also have to attend classes to learn about the conditions faced by prostitutes.

    It has taken more than two years to pass the controversial legislation because of differences between the two houses of parliament over the issue.

    Some sex workers protested against the law during the final debate.

    The demonstrators outside parliament in Paris, numbering about 60, carried banners and placards one of which read: "Don't liberate me, I'll take care of myself".

    Members of the Strass sex workers' union say the law will affect the livelihoods of France's sex workers, estimated to number between 30,000 and 40,000.

    Sweden was the first country to criminalise those who pay for sex rather than the prostitutes, introducing the law in 1999. Other countries have since adopted the so-called "Nordic model": Norway in 2008, Iceland in 2009, and Northern Ireland in 2014. Earlier this year, the European parliament approved a resolution calling for the law to be adopted throughout the continent.

    But many advocacy groups warn the model makes sex work more dangerous.

    Catherine Stephens, an activist with the UK-based International Union of Sex Workers, and a sex worker herself, says criminalisation makes those in the industry "much more likely to have to accept clients who are obscuring their identity, which benefits people who want to perpetrate violence".

    Ms Stephens told the BBC that criminalising those who wish to purchase sex makes them less likely to report concerns about a sex worker's wellbeing.

    "We have had cases where clients have helped people escape from situations of coercion ... Criminalising the client actively works against that, discouraging them from coming forward. We need to create a situation in which it is easy to report harm, violence and coercion. Blanket criminalisation of premises, brothels, or clients absolutely works against that."
    Amnesty International says that laws against buying sex "mean that sex workers have to take more risks to protect buyers from detection by the police". The charity says sex workers have reported being asked to visit customers' homes to help them avoid police, instead of meeting them in safer environments.

    Supporters of the law argue that it increases safety. Anne-Cecile Mailfert, the president of the Women's Foundation in France, which provides support to women's rights organisations, says sex workers are better able to seek police protection if they need it.

    She told the BBC: "We are giving to the prostituted person a new tool to defend themselves and protect themselves. If they don't want to do that then actually they just don't have to call the police. But if anything happens, if the client is violent, if anything wrong happens, then now they have the law on their side."

    The legislation will also make it easier for foreign prostitutes to get a temporary residence permit in France if they agree to find jobs outside prostitution, says Socialist MP Maud Olivier, who sponsored the legislation.

    He told the Associated Press: "The most important aspect of this law is to accompany prostitutes and give them identity papers, because we know that 85% of prostitutes here are victims of trafficking."

    The law was passed in the final vote on the bill in the lower house of parliament by 64 to 12 with 11 abstentions. It supersedes legislation from 2003 that penalised sex workers for soliciting.

    Prostitution itself is not a crime in France, but pimping, human trafficking, brothels and and buying sex from a minor are all already against the law.


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    The conditions faced by (or the lifestyle enjoyed by) the likes of Sophie or Rachael et. al. will no doubt not be on the syllabus.

    Seems from reading the articles about this legislation, the reasoning for this legislation is religious and/or ideological, as is usual everywhere else, rather than practical or fact-based.
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    I wonder how many of us will end up in an Irish version of this school in the years ahead? How many semesters/years would we need to attend? Would we have to sit exams? Who would do the tutoring?

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    How can it actually be proven that money changed hands. Whats to say we're not an ordinary couple having sex!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red and Horny View Post
    How can it actually be proven that money changed hands. Whats to say we're not an ordinary couple having sex!
    the few thousand euro found in the escorts apartment may be enough evidence, who knows when mental feminists are involved in drafting laws

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    This has been answered in some detail previously. The short answer is that it can not be easily proved but that does not mean that it could not be proved. Obviously the prosecution would go all out to prove that you were not an ordinary couple having sex. The success or otherwise of the state is likely to depend on the particular circumstances pertaining to each case. One key factor is likely to be the location where it is alleged an offence took place. If the prosecution can convince the court that it is in a venue normally used for the purposes of prostitution you could be on your way to "whore School".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Dunn View Post
    I wonder how many of us will end up in an Irish version of this school in the years ahead? How many semesters/years would we need to attend? Would we have to sit exams? Who would do the tutoring?
    A dominatrix, of course, complete with cane.

    Corporal punishment would be reintroduced for convicted clients.
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    Speaking of all things French, some escorts have already outlawed FK
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxq View Post
    the few thousand euro found in the escorts apartment may be enough evidence, who knows when mental feminists are involved in drafting laws
    I know they'll probably use discovered cash as evidence but its not a crime to have cash on you is it?
    Damn them de gooders, spoiling our fun. They think the law should be how they see things.
    Its 2016 ffs.
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    Usa are tough on paying escorts for sex and you have to take a schooling course when caught.
    They are going to make a film out of it
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