Your correct. Indeed the Irish version will be different again as for constitutional reasons it is not possible to ban the purchase without also banning the sale of sex. Hence we got our version now thankfully stalled but for how long remains to be seen.Originally Posted by Curvaceous Kate
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How can you say that it is not possible to ban the purchase without banning the sale, when this is how it is in Sweden, Northern Ireland and various other places? It is illegal to buy sex in Belfast where I am, but I am not doing anything illegal and I sell sex.
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I'm surmising that Dom Dunn is referring to the (i'm in layman's amateur legal zone here) right enshrined in Irish constitutional law that all parties must be viewed equally before the law which has been suggested is why both parties to an appointment must be criminalised - hence MoJ's increased criminalisation of the sex sellers on advice from the AG..
Utterly clueless whether there is remotely any merit to that theory (i'm doubtful myself).
That's the last we will hear of that problem. Why didn't they think of that before. The problem with pussy is the same problem America had with booze during prohibition. Most people think booze pussy and things like gambling are perfectly acceptable. Its been that way since the dawn of man kind, The sooner moral crusaders realise this the better. Its almost at a genetic level that we believe sex is a human right that will not be denied to us
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I wonder what the result would be if either the French or Northern Irish police put in a massive requisition for bugging equipment, extra manpower, resources and court time to properly enforce these new laws.
I think that similar to the "safety" camera legislation, they should be required to have enforcement zones, and be required to erect signs on each street, warning punters that consensual sex acts are being monitored in this area.
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Correct again Kate. Where you are. Travel a few miles down the road and you enter a place called Eire. This place has a constitution which they don't have up north. The dominant constitutional view is that it is not possible to introduce the Swedish model down here. Basically it boils down to the fact that you can't indemnify the seller while at the same time criminalising the buyer. But as I have stated many times on here the courts will ultimately decide this matter.
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What's going on with politics? Shouldn't they be too busy trying to fix our economy. Why so many worries about consensual sex between adults?
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That is exactly what will happen now Frances Fitzgerald is back in her position. The mentality may be slightly different, as in they will try and twist it to make the sex worker guilty as well, but the law will say that the sex worker is not doing anything illegal if working by herself. Let's face it, the law is already being twisted to satisfy their need for disapproval enough, so why would that change?
This is just part of an unfortunate European trend emanating in the north and now spreading around the continent. Indeed a motion has been passed by that monumental waste of taxpayers money the European Parliament which is in broad support. At it's heart is a philosophy which sees all men who pay for sex as evil and all sex workers as been forced in one way or another to sell their bodies to these demons.
The legislation put before the senate late last year as you correctly point out bans the purchase of sex. Mostly men but a small number of women purchase sex and this will now be a criminal offence. My understanding was that all the existing legislation governing prostitution would remain on the statute books. This would mean that women working in a brothel i.e. two or more in the same location would still be guilty of an offence. Girls who work on their own -a minority I would think- would still not be guilty of an offence. The clients who purchase from them will be of course open to prosecution. But I see three 3 problems with this.1) The Irish constitution may not allow for a situation in which a person providing a banned service escapes prosecution. Infact, it is maybe the case that it is unconstitutional that men caught in raids in brothels should be able to escape prosecution. To the best of my knowledge this has never been tested in the Supreme Court. 2) It will obviously be far more difficult to prove the purchase of sex rather than the sale of sex in court. There are far more defences which could be used by people willing to put there name up in lights. Indeed, my understanding of the Swedish situation is that few if any people got end up in court as they pay up a fine and it is not made public. This is not likely to be the case here and disgrace and humiliation will be the order of the day for many. 3) If a client is found paying for sex with an escort who is an independent operator as it is outside the context of a brothel it is very likely that she will be forced to give evidence in any court case which arises out of the matter. I think many escorts would be reluctant to become involved and in many cases may turn out to be hostile witnesses for the Prosecution.
My gut feeling is that the law will be challenged in the courts in Ireland and UK and be found to be at partly or wholly outside the law. In the interim it will be enforced with some vigor in this part of the Island with a number of high profile raids at various well known places were sex is sold. The offenders will be named and shamed with the buyers getting most of the negative attention.
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