Bad Client Data - Moving Forward

[annasavicha]

Ok,Epsi,but how about ones that lied 5 times about list and admitted only upfront facts that were discovered?

I will never trust them...

[Epsilon]

Ok,Epsi,but how about ones that lied 5 times about list and admitted only upfront facts that were discovered?

I will never trust them...

I can only comment on the two girls that i asked about this. I will not name them but if they want to add to this they can. I dont know about anybody who lied but i am sure that they did and that there a many more lies yet to be told about this. We will never hear the full truth.

[annasavicha]

It s implied list does not exist any more......

[Epsilon]

It s implied list does not exist any more......

I dont for one second believe that the list does not exist anymore. somebody has it or its sitting on a server somewhere.. but i do not believe it was destroyed...

[luther]

It s implied list does not exist any more......

At this stage I don't think anyboby would be naive enough to believe, or think that the list doesn't exist, in some form, somewhere, my personal feeling is that it still exists in many places, in many forms.....

[thehighwayman]

Theres a version of the list circulating so obviously it hasn't been destroyed. The informations out there. The list was created for escort security. The way things have turned out it's compromised their security. Now clients will be paranoid and using different sim cards. So it's impossible for escorts to verify who anyone is now unless they book through pms on the forums.

I think the way E-I deals with bad clients should be left as it is and only paying advertisers for that month have access. The safety of escorts shouldn't suffer because of all this.

[Patricia]

I don't want the safety of escorts to suffer, really I don't, but I do think it is probably about time we talked about these issues.

Look at the fuck up with this list... What's the biggest problem?

I think it was dishonestly.

If the ladies involved had been honest with clients and said "We are keeping a list, here is how it works, are you happy to go on it?" we wouldn't be here now, as clients could have (a) advised the ladies their list was unsafe (b) decided not to go on the list or (c) gone on this list, but only with the details they were happy to provide.

Bad clients are a different story to good clients. Personally I don't see the need for good clients lists at all. But some of the issues are the same, essentially in both cases we are talking about client personal info.

I would like to discuss this in the open, because I think the issue should be out in the open, and I also think lots of heads come up with the best ideas. This list situation has been a wake up call to me and I want to make sure here at E-I we are doing the best we can to help ladies protect themselves from dangerous clients whilst not potentially comprimising the privacy of other clients.

Look at what these ladies did. A lot of us feel they meant no harm, but they were certainly not approaching this issue with the care required. For example, why was the whole bad clients list with full details of 5,000 clients viewable and downloadable to all escorts involved at the click of a mouse? You could have a bad clients database that all escorts could submit numbers to, but nobody could view. The only way to access it would be to search and then the database would give you back a result of "no match" or "match". At least then nobody but the owner could have taken the list in full and distributed it, but ladies could still have checked their numbers against it.

What I'm looking for is ideas, ideas for good solutions for clients and escorts.

Pat x

[thehighwayman]

I think you may be onto something there highway, an escort doesn't need to have a persons number, all they would need is a profile name and possible a simple pin code (so others couldn't give someone else's username), if a guy then calls an escort she can ask, are you an e-i member if so whats your pin, she can then go and check his status and as far as e-i are concerned they are only storing usernames and no personal data. Now if he's not an e-i member she's no worse off than she currently is and has to make her own judgement call on wheter to see him or not.
i'm sure this could be tweeked but it's an idea??

Adding a pin code would be a good idea so no-one else can use anothers username. If there is to be a list it has to be something that's not based on phone numbers or other personal information.

It's a pity all this wasn't discussed on the forums before it was created. People could've raised their concerns and the more ideas that's put around the more likely a solution would've been found.

[Patricia]

Another idea, maybe silly, but just thinking out loud.

Vbulletin has an option to charge for memberships.

We could offer a paid membership option as well as a free one. Say a nominal free to become a paid member, e.g. 1 euro.

This euro would have to be paid by paypal.

Paypal verifies the identity of all its customers.

E-I would not have paypal's knowlege of all its customers obviously, but E-I would have a database of the paypal email address of all paid members, which in theory the police could use to trace any member if a paid member turned out to be a dangerous client.

Would escorts feel more assured taking a booking from an E-I member if they knew the E-I member was almost certainly traceable by the police in the event of a problem?

All money paid to E-I in this regard would be donated to a chosen charity once a quarter or similar.

[kieree]

I don't want the safety of escorts to suffer, really I don't, but I do think it is probably about time we talked about these issues.

Look at the fuck up with this list... What's the biggest problem?

I think it was dishonestly.

If the ladies involved had been honest with clients and said "We are keeping a list, here is how it works, are you happy to go on it?" we wouldn't be here now, as clients could have (a) advised the ladies their list was unsafe (b) decided not to go on the list or (c) gone on this list, but only with the details they were happy to provide.

Bad clients are a different story to good clients. Personally I don't see the need for good clients lists at all. But some of the issues are the same, essentially in both cases we are talking about client personal info.

I would like to discuss this in the open, because I think the issue should be out in the open, and I also think lots of heads come up with the best ideas. This list situation has been a wake up call to me and I want to make sure here at E-I we are doing the best we can to help ladies protect themselves from dangerous clients whilst not potentially comprimising the privacy of other clients.

Look at what these ladies did. A lot of us feel they meant no harm, but they were certainly not approaching this issue with the care required. For example, why was the whole bad clients list with full details of 5,000 clients viewable and downloadable to all escorts involved at the click of a mouse? You could have a bad clients database that all escorts could submit numbers to, but nobody could view. The only way to access it would be to search and then the database would give you back a result of "no match" or "match". At least then nobody but the owner could have taken the list in full and distributed it, but ladies could still have checked their numbers against it.

What I'm looking for is ideas, ideas for good solutions for clients and escorts.

Pat x

Personally speaking im not pissed of with the list more the amount of info that went into it some of the phone numbers in it have 6 digits which is 2 digits too many IMO and also includes descriptions, sexual preferences etc I can understand totally why they did it in any other business it would be seen as taken iniative and its certainly better than leaving information on a phone or pc, I think the paypal idea is a good one and i would contribute if proceed went to say STD awareness or some other good cause