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    Lightbulb Distinguising Independents from Dependants

    This is such an important issue, Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    Firstly I have to start off with regard to public perception of the escort world.I feel its definitely biased due to one sided poor journalism which implies all escorts as being trafficked, pimped and generally paints a dark pictures over the whole business.

    Of course that is not the case as its unfortunate unless your involved as a client or escort only you understand the real meaning of escorting in today's society which is a totally different perspective to the general public due to tabloids and biased reporting.

    Having said that, unfortunately trafficking does exist as do the gangs that operate prostitution rings which I believe some claim to be independent escorts.
    Personally speaking, I've walked away from appointments particularly in Dublin city which just didn't feel right.
    I recall one booking due to take place and as I approached the door two guys were sitting outside in an Audi with tinted windows, watching my every move.
    I walked away, called the escort and explained two guys are outside her door and she said they are nothing to do with her.
    As I spoke I could hear a male voice in the background, not understanding as they were Romanian as far as I could tell. She was listed Romanian so I presumed the men were too.
    I explained I'm canceling the appointment as I felt she wasn't genuinely independent and she hung up.
    I will never know for sure if she was truly independent or at least there on her own free will but my gut feeling was something just wasn't right.
    She had no reviews at the time but a week later I noticed she had two seemingly from experienced client's which made me wonder what exactly is going on here.
    Maybe she hasn't been trafficked but using a pimp for work, its difficult to tell the difference when your simply on the phone , am I really speaking to the escort that claims to be independent? At least am I actually speaking with the lady in question? Or is someone speaking for her.

    Another time I recall in a 30 minute booking , after 25 minutes there was a woman outside the door, banging it saying times up!
    I asked the escort what was that all about, she said nothing except I have to leave.
    This woman had a handful of reviews and was verified yet if she was truly independent I doubt she'd be told to hurry up by someone else.

    While the majority of escorts are truly independent , some unfortunately are not.
    I'd love to see Escort-Ireland clamp down on this , probably harder said than done I understand.

    For a moment forget poor journalism, propaganda, biased views and a possible change in law in the future.

    What I ask to Escort Ireland is, what statistics are available to you , with knowledge of gangs/pimps operating women as independent escorts?
    And what do you actually do with information that is questionable?
    With regard to fake profiles , when reported by a client what is the process involved apart from displaying it on the users profile?
    Is anything done, if so do you take this serious enough?

    Of course clients have an obligation to rule out such problems and stick with verified trusted escorts which is fine if she has many reviews, references etc and uses the online forums.
    But from my experience that's not always the case, as clients are fooled into thinking their genuinely independent when that's far from the truth.
    Last edited by LuckyLu; 30-03-16 at 17:38. Reason: unfortunate wording clarified.
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    Good Afternoon,

    This is to inform you that the user Kinkydub5 has been banned permanently from our forums.

    As stated earlier today, we will have no resort but to ban permanently everyone, who is making serious allegations against the Company.
    Any allegations, defamatory and possibly libelous comments made about the Company will result in an immediate and permanent banning from the forums.

    We appreciate all your opinions and you are very welcome to express yourselves freely, however there is a line not to be crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkydub5 View Post
    This is such an important issue, Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    Firstly I have to start off with regard to public perception of the escort world.I feel its definitely biased due to one sided poor journalism which implies all escorts as being trafficked, pimped and generally paints a dark pictures over the whole business.

    Of course that is not the case as its unfortunate unless your involved as a client or escort only you understand the real meaning of escorting in today's society which is a totally different perspective to the general public due to tabloids and biased reporting.

    Having said that, unfortunately trafficking does exist as do the gangs that operate prostitution rings which I believe some operate under E-I and claim to be independent escorts.
    Personally speaking, I've walked away from appointments particularly in Dublin city which just didn't feel right.
    I recall one booking due to take place and as I approached the door two guys were sitting outside in an Audi with tinted windows, watching my every move.
    I walked away, called the escort and explained two guys are outside her door and she said they are nothing to do with her.
    As I spoke I could hear a male voice in the background, not understanding as they were Romanian as far as I could tell. She was listed Romanian so I presumed the men were too.
    I explained I'm canceling the appointment as I felt she wasn't genuinely independent and she hung up.
    I will never know for sure if she was truly independent or at least there on her own free will but my gut feeling was something just wasn't right.
    She had no reviews at the time but a week later I noticed she had two seemingly from experienced client's which made me wonder what exactly is going on here.
    Maybe she hasn't been trafficked but using a pimp for work, its difficult to tell the difference when your simply on the phone , am I really speaking to the escort that claims to be independent? At least am I actually speaking with the lady in question? Or is someone speaking for her.

    Another time I recall in a 30 minute booking , after 25 minutes there was a woman outside the door, banging it saying times up!
    I asked the escort what was that all about, she said nothing except I have to leave.
    This woman had a handful of reviews and was verified yet if she was truly independent I doubt she'd be told to hurry up by someone else.

    While the majority of escorts are truly independent , some unfortunately are not.
    I'd love to see Escort-Ireland clamp down on this , probably harder said than done I understand.

    For a moment forget poor journalism, propaganda, biased views and a possible change in law in the future.

    What I ask to Escort Ireland is, what statistics are available to you , with knowledge of gangs/pimps operating women as independent escorts?
    And what do you actually do with information that is questionable?
    With regard to fake profiles , when reported by a client what is the process involved apart from displaying it on the users profile?
    Is anything done, if so do you take this serious enough?

    Of course clients have an obligation to rule out such problems and stick with verified trusted escorts which is fine if she has many reviews, references etc and uses the online forums.
    But from my experience that's not always the case, as clients are fooled into thinking their genuinely independent when that's far from the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyLu View Post
    Good Afternoon,

    This is to inform you that the user Kinkydub5 has been banned permanently from our forums.

    As stated earlier today, we will have no resort but to ban permanently everyone, who is making serious allegations against the Company.
    Any allegations, defamatory and possibly libelous comments made about the Company will result in an immediate and permanent banning from the forums.

    We appreciate all your opinions and you are very welcome to express yourselves freely, however there is a line not to be crossed.

    Thank you for your attention
    With all due respect, this banning was compltely unfair. The man was raising some very genuine concerns, showing he cares if his money goes to a gang of criminals or not.

    He did not make any accusations towards EI, was just asking what do you know about this. He didn't even name any escort he thought may not be indie.

    It's actually a breath of fresh air to see someone caring not to pocket criminals, he's actually a good man for this.
    Available for outcalls and very rarely for an ocassional weekend tour, watch my profile when I advertise.

    Independent & Charming Companion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkydub5 View Post
    This is such an important issue, Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    Firstly I have to start off with regard to public perception of the escort world.I feel its definitely biased due to one sided poor journalism which implies all escorts as being trafficked, pimped and generally paints a dark pictures over the whole business.

    Of course that is not the case as its unfortunate unless your involved as a client or escort only you understand the real meaning of escorting in today's society which is a totally different perspective to the general public due to tabloids and biased reporting.

    Having said that, unfortunately trafficking does exist as do the gangs that operate prostitution rings which I believe some operate under E-I and claim to be independent escorts.
    Personally speaking, I've walked away from appointments particularly in Dublin city which just didn't feel right.
    I recall one booking due to take place and as I approached the door two guys were sitting outside in an Audi with tinted windows, watching my every move.
    I walked away, called the escort and explained two guys are outside her door and she said they are nothing to do with her.
    As I spoke I could hear a male voice in the background, not understanding as they were Romanian as far as I could tell. She was listed Romanian so I presumed the men were too.
    I explained I'm canceling the appointment as I felt she wasn't genuinely independent and she hung up.
    I will never know for sure if she was truly independent or at least there on her own free will but my gut feeling was something just wasn't right.
    She had no reviews at the time but a week later I noticed she had two seemingly from experienced client's which made me wonder what exactly is going on here.
    Maybe she hasn't been trafficked but using a pimp for work, its difficult to tell the difference when your simply on the phone , am I really speaking to the escort that claims to be independent? At least am I actually speaking with the lady in question? Or is someone speaking for her.

    Another time I recall in a 30 minute booking , after 25 minutes there was a woman outside the door, banging it saying times up!
    I asked the escort what was that all about, she said nothing except I have to leave.
    This woman had a handful of reviews and was verified yet if she was truly independent I doubt she'd be told to hurry up by someone else.

    While the majority of escorts are truly independent , some unfortunately are not.
    I'd love to see Escort-Ireland clamp down on this , probably harder said than done I understand.

    For a moment forget poor journalism, propaganda, biased views and a possible change in law in the future.

    What I ask to Escort Ireland is, what statistics are available to you , with knowledge of gangs/pimps operating women as independent escorts?
    And what do you actually do with information that is questionable?
    With regard to fake profiles , when reported by a client what is the process involved apart from displaying it on the users profile?
    Is anything done, if so do you take this serious enough?

    Of course clients have an obligation to rule out such problems and stick with verified trusted escorts which is fine if she has many reviews, references etc and uses the online forums.
    But from my experience that's not always the case, as clients are fooled into thinking their genuinely independent when that's far from the truth.
    Please refer here for more information:
    https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...83#post1736183

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy Alison View Post
    With all due respect, this banning was compltely unfair. The man was raising some very genuine concerns, showing he cares if his money goes to a gang of criminals or not.

    He did not make any accusations towards EI, was just asking what do you know about this. He didn't even name any escort he thought may not be indie.

    It's actually a breath of fresh air to see someone caring not to pocket criminals, he's actually a good man for this.
    Did appear to be a bit rash. But on the other hand it was strange such a thread was started in light of the banning earlier. Said it before beware the wrath of Lulu.
    Last edited by Best Before; 30-03-16 at 14:51.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Best Before View Post
    Did appear to be a bit rash. But on the other hand it was strange such a thread was started in light of the banning earlier. Said it before beware the wrath of Lulu.
    The part highlighted in red it's not an allegation.
    EI always says it's a directory, so "operating under" means nothing more than "listed under".
    If someone wanted to be nasty, I would say there would have been very little room for interpretation.

    Even the weather proves me right ... big icy hail outside as I type this
    Available for outcalls and very rarely for an ocassional weekend tour, watch my profile when I advertise.

    Independent & Charming Companion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy Alison View Post
    The part highlighted in red it's not an allegation.
    EI always says it's a directory, so "operating under" means nothing more than "listed under".
    If someone wanted to be nasty, I would say there would have been very little room for interpretation.

    Even the weather proves me right ... big icy hail outside as I type this
    Lucky Lu channeling her inner Samlad today
    It did seem a mild post to be banned for. Not as accusatory as the quattroporte chap. Perhaps kinky dub was just looking for tips and seeking to open a dialogue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy Alison View Post
    The part highlighted in red it's not an allegation.
    EI always says it's a directory, so "operating under" means nothing more than "listed under".
    If someone wanted to be nasty, I would say there would have been very little room for interpretation.

    Even the weather proves me right ... big icy hail outside as I type this
    I know he said it was his belief, but it still was an allegation/accusation. So if that's E.I. line on these types of claims. I guess it's their right to ban who they feel is saying this or even implying it.
    Last edited by Best Before; 30-03-16 at 15:15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkydub5 View Post
    This is such an important issue, Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    I recall one booking due to take place and as I approached the door two guys were sitting outside in an Audi with tinted windows, watching my every move.
    I walked away, called the escort and explained two guys are outside her door and she said they are nothing to do with her.
    As I spoke I could hear a male voice in the background, not understanding as they were Romanian as far as I could tell. She was listed Romanian so I presumed the men were too.
    I explained I'm canceling the appointment as I felt she wasn't genuinely independent and she hung up.
    I will never know for sure if she was truly independent or at least there on her own free will but my gut feeling was something just wasn't right.

    If you have a concern that someone you meet or interact with has been trafficked (for any reason), but especially for the purposes of sexual exploitation you may anonymously contact: http://www.blueblindfold.gov.ie who also have a telephone number: 1800 25 20 25 or email: blueblindfold@garda.ie
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